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Old 05-14-2012, 08:45 AM   #91
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So, for us SEL owners, we should take care of them, as they are a rare vehicle, sorta....especially the Frosted Glass.
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While I wouldn't say that the ST is "replacing" the SE Sport, it may be that Ford is less inclined to keep it in the lineup because of other sporty offerings.

Ford's own press release confirmed that both the SE Sport Package and Titanium Handling Package were targeted towards the enthusiast market. Many folks saw the SE Sport as Ford's way of throwing a bone to enthusiasts who liked to row their own. Of course, now that the Titanium is offered in MT, not to mention the ST, there is no longer that need.
I didn't see the SE Sport as being geared towards enthusiasts, but rather towards those who wanted alloys and rear discs and didn't mind a stiffer suspension setup (whether the tranny is auto or MT has nothing to do with it since either was available throughout the SE lineup). The alloys are now standard on the SE and the suspension setup is an open question. But the fact you can't get rear discs on an SE without the expensive Appearance package or the SFE package is questionable. I'm not an "enthusiast" by any means but I look at the rear brakes as a sort of status symbol. If the car has drums it just looks "cheap" to me. Plus it's a safety question - with kids in the car with me I just want as much stopping power as I can possibly get.
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So, for us SEL owners, we should take care of them, as they are a rare vehicle, sorta....especially the Frosted Glass.
I'm with ya since my SEL's color has also been discontinued. Though I'm not going to hold my breath for a "rarity premium" come selling time.....
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I didn't see the SE Sport as being geared towards enthusiasts, but rather towards those who wanted alloys and rear discs and didn't mind a stiffer suspension setup (whether the tranny is auto or MT has nothing to do with it since either was available throughout the SE lineup). The alloys are now standard on the SE and the suspension setup is an open question. But the fact you can't get rear discs on an SE without the expensive Appearance package or the SFE package is questionable. I'm not an "enthusiast" by any means but I look at the rear brakes as a sort of status symbol. If the car has drums it just looks "cheap" to me. Plus it's a safety question - with kids in the car with me I just want as much stopping power as I can possibly get.
Ford uses the word "enthusiast" six times in this press release, announcing the SE Sport and Titanium Handling packages: http://media.ford.com/article_displa...ticle_id=33466

The fact is, for most of the model year, the SE Sport was simply the only option for those who wanted a manual transmission along with the sport-tuned suspension. I think that's why it has the "enthusiast's choice" reputation around here.
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Ford uses the word "enthusiast" six times in this press release, announcing the SE Sport and Titanium Handling packages: http://media.ford.com/article_displa...ticle_id=33466

The fact is, for most of the model year, the SE Sport was simply the only option for those who wanted a manual transmission along with the sport-tuned suspension. I think that's why it has the "enthusiast's choice" reputation around here.
I'm saying I was originally interested in the sport package just for the alloys and the rear discs. I can't be the only one. I didn't care about the "sport-tuned suspension", whatever that gives you. Has anyone ever driven a SE and SE Sport one right after the other to see if there's a discernable difference in handling or if it's just a marketing gimmick?
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I'm saying I was originally interested in the sport package just for the alloys and the rear discs. I can't be the only one. I didn't care about the "sport-tuned suspension", whatever that gives you. Has anyone ever driven a SE and SE Sport one right after the other to see if there's a discernable difference in handling or if it's just a marketing gimmick?
Well, it's definitely marketing, but I wouldn't call it a gimmick. The suspension is stiffer. I test drove a regular SE sedan (only one on the lot with a 5MT, which I wanted to try out) immediately followed by an SE Sport hatch. I felt like it rolled less and gripped more, but I guess it could've been in my head and I didn't push either car very hard, obviously. But the parts catalog show a definite difference in dampers (standard vs. touring) and I think one can safely assume that they're valved differently.

Granted, some folks that ticked that box might not consider themselves enthusiasts - I'm just saying that Ford was explicitly going after that demographic with the package.
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Well, it's definitely marketing, but I wouldn't call it a gimmick. The suspension is stiffer. I test drove a regular SE sedan (only one on the lot with a 5MT, which I wanted to try out) immediately followed by an SE Sport hatch. I felt like it rolled less and gripped more, but I guess it could've been in my head and I didn't push either car very hard, obviously. But the parts catalog show a definite difference in dampers (standard vs. touring) and I think one can safely assume that they're valved differently.

Granted, some folks that ticked that box might not consider themselves enthusiasts - I'm just saying that Ford was explicitly going after that demographic with the package.
Agreed, I wonder if the new ones will have the rear sway bar also, I think the standard SE doens't have it. thats prob why it rolled more in the corners. I am glad I got the sport package (noise aside) it drives and handles great, I wonder if it is any lower? it kinda looks to be more level front to rear. but might just be my mind and eyes playing tricks on me lol
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Well, it's definitely marketing, but I wouldn't call it a gimmick. The suspension is stiffer. I test drove a regular SE sedan (only one on the lot with a 5MT, which I wanted to try out) immediately followed by an SE Sport hatch. I felt like it rolled less and gripped more, but I guess it could've been in my head and I didn't push either car very hard, obviously. But the parts catalog show a definite difference in dampers (standard vs. touring) and I think one can safely assume that they're valved differently.

Granted, some folks that ticked that box might not consider themselves enthusiasts - I'm just saying that Ford was explicitly going after that demographic with the package.
Yeah I know the suspension bits have some different part nos., I just wonder what real difference there is. The differences you felt might have been primarily to do with the rims / tires. The alloys themselves should be a little stiffer than the base steel wheels, no? I've got the "cushy" SEL suspension and it's plenty stiff for me.

Anyway, too bad about the sport package...
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But the fact you can't get rear discs on an SE without the expensive Appearance package or the SFE package is questionable. I'm not an "enthusiast" by any means but I look at the rear brakes as a sort of status symbol. If the car has drums it just looks "cheap" to me. Plus it's a safety question - with kids in the car with me I just want as much stopping power as I can possibly get.
I agree with this completely and it's a major gripe of mine as well. You get rear discs on the $12K Hyundai but in 2013 you STILL have to tack on a big premium to get them on the Ford compacts...? Huh??
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I agree with this completely and it's a major gripe of mine as well. You get rear discs on the $12K Hyundai but in 2013 you STILL have to tack on a big premium to get them on the Ford compacts...? Huh??
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