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Old 06-20-2012, 06:46 PM   #391
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Again, "adaptive learning" usually doesn't mean learning the driver's habits, except for some high end cars like BMWs and Cadillacs. It means learning the transmission shift and clutch thresholds, and the DCT in the Focus DEFINITELY does this:

"NOTE: PLEASE ADVISE THE CUSTOMER THAT THIS VEHICLE IS EQUIPPED WITH AN ADAPTIVE TRANSMISSION SHIFT STRATEGY WHICH ALLOWS THE VEHICLE'S COMPUTER TO LEARN THE TRANSMISSION'S UNIQUE PARAMETERS AND IMPROVE SHIFT QUALITY"
The press release I provided the link to specifically says it "recognizes individual styles of driving (e.g., aggressive vs. Relaxed) and adapts transmission shift parameters accordingly".

And it says it's on "many North American [Ford] vehicles", i.e. not just high end BMWs and Cadillacs.
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The press release I provided the link to specifically says it "recognizes individual styles of driving (e.g., aggressive vs. Relaxed) and adapts transmission shift parameters accordingly".

And it says it's on "many North American [Ford] vehicles", i.e. not just high end BMWs and Cadillacs.
Nothing in that press release suggests the transmission learns over time or remembers how you drive. "Recognises individual styles" isn't the same as "remembers individual styles". "Crisper shifts for aggressive driving or smoother shifts for normal driving" and "uses information to assess driving style and decides when to upshift or downshift" means it responds to how you are driving at any given moment and won't remember that you like to drive that way later on, or even a few seconds later.
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The press release I provided the link to specifically says it "recognizes individual styles of driving (e.g., aggressive vs. Relaxed) and adapts transmission shift parameters accordingly".
That article refers to Adaptive Transmission Control (ATC) which is used on many "conventional" Ford automatic transmissions (the 2010 Mustang is one example that I cited earlier).

There are many technologies and features that are not necessarily used in all Ford models.
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Again, "adaptive learning" usually doesn't mean learning the driver's habits...
That is correct. The adaptive learning for the DCT has 3 parts:

1) TR Sensor Adaptive Learning (the TCM calibrates the sensor for the shift lever position. This is done by a service tech after TCM reprogramming.)

2) Shift Drum Adaptive Learning (the TCM calibrates the exact positioning of the shift drums. This is done by a service tech after TCM reprogramming.)

3) Clutch Adaptive Learning (the TCM calibrates the "catch points" of both clutches. This is done by a service tech after TCM reprogramming but is constantly being "fine tuned" as you drive your car.)
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Again, "adaptive learning" usually doesn't mean learning the driver's habits, except for some high end cars like BMWs and Cadillacs. It means learning the transmission shift and clutch thresholds, and the DCT in the Focus DEFINITELY does this:

"NOTE: PLEASE ADVISE THE CUSTOMER THAT THIS VEHICLE IS EQUIPPED WITH AN ADAPTIVE TRANSMISSION SHIFT STRATEGY WHICH ALLOWS THE VEHICLE'S COMPUTER TO LEARN THE TRANSMISSION'S UNIQUE PARAMETERS AND IMPROVE SHIFT QUALITY"
Thank you, Hypnotoad. This was exactly my understanding too when I read about our DCT. There is no 'learning the driver's habits".

This is why I often told on this site with different occasions, do not baby the transmission the first 1000 miles, do not use the cruise control and please do play with the rpms (switch often D to S and back) in this period. Do not redline it either. Thus, the transmission "experience" all the spectrum of rpms and its components "broke in". If not, you'll complain about your transmission even after 10000 miles. I did this and it worked for me. And I am sure those who started to drive the car a bit "harder", they saw improvement in their DCT acting.
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Thank you, Hypnotoad. This was exactly my understanding too when I read about our DCT. There is no 'learning the driver's habits".

This is why I often told on this site with different occasions, do not baby the transmission the first 1000 miles, do not use the cruise control and please do play with the rpms (switch often D to S and back) in this period. Do not redline it either. Thus, the transmission "experience" all the spectrum of rpms and its components "broke in". If not, you'll complain about your transmission even after 10000 miles. I did this and it worked for me. And I am sure those who started to drive the car a bit "harder", they saw improvement in their DCT acting.
Abuseing your car will not make it better.
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Abuseing your car will not make it better.
If running a car as it should be and not like a granny means "abuseing" for you, then that's just fine with me. And you know what, I am not complaining about my DCT, but I know you are. So, who's the "abused" here ?
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He is not saying abuse your car. He is saying do not get into a pattern with your Focus for a little while, allowing the computer to learn the full spectrum of the engine. I did this when I got my Focus and did it again when I got the 12B37 Update performed, my DCT is buttery smooth.
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He is not saying abuse your car. He is saying do not get into a pattern with your Focus for a little while, allowing the computer to learn the full spectrum of the engine. I did this when I got my Focus and did it again when I got the 12B37 Update performed, my DCT is buttery smooth.
Your car will not learn anything by yourself driveing it.Example.
I had my update thre weeks ago and it was very bad after i got it back and all the driveing i did did not do a thing for it. I brought the car back to the dealer and they had to do the adaptive drive cycle that they did not do to begin with when they did the update. Its a special way of driveing just after the update is done.I dont no how this can be done three weeks after the update but they did it and they only put a few miles on the car.
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He is not saying abuse your car. He is saying do not get into a pattern with your Focus for a little while, allowing the computer to learn the full spectrum of the engine. I did this when I got my Focus and did it again when I got the 12B37 Update performed, my DCT is buttery smooth.
Spot on. It seems like everone who has done this really enjoys their DCT now.

Nowhere is anyone saying to race your car for 1k miles. Nowhere is anyone saying to redline your car for 1k miles. Heck, I don't think anyone is even saying to floor it. No one is recommending that a car be abused. Simply drive your car a *little* harder than normal and vary the modes you drive it in. How hard of a concept is that?
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