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Old 04-05-2012, 10:53 AM   #1
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HELP, No Start, no crank, no nothing!!!

Okay here is the deal, I have used the search function and after reading lots of "suggestions" I am stuck. My 2004 2.3 Duratec with auto trans will not start, won't crank, wont turn over. All the dash lights come on, fuel pump can be heard and PATS is working normal. We had to replace the ignition cylinder due to the old one freezing up and since have had this issue. They key turns fine in the ignition, PATS blinks slowly until the key is turned to start where it comes on solid for about 2 seconds, then turns off (which is normal PATS light sequence).

What we have checked and or replaced:

1) Starter was replaced, power at starter, but relay is the only relay we didnt change, its behind a metal plate on inside fuse panel.
2)PATS sequence is normal
3)Used a jumper wire to bypass the neutral safety switch, no change
4)Battery fully charged and terminals are clean
5)Ignition switch plugged in(not tested though)
6)PATS ring plugged in
7)All relays replaced, except PITA starter relay
8)All fuses good
9) Fuel shut-off switch in kick panel is good

So what else should I check or test?? Should I replace the ignition switch and starter relay (although having power at the starter should rule out a bad relay)
Thanks for the help in advance.


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Old 04-05-2012, 12:25 PM   #2
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Sounds like the starter relay/solenoid/coil is not working, or not getting a +12v signal to work.

Either way, you will need to take the troubleshooting to that relay, to find out if the ign switch is outputting on the "start" position, or if the relay is just not responding to it.
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Its really not that hard to get the relay/fuse panel out, orders of magnitude easier than replacing the starter. Relays are cheap. Replace the relay.
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You could try jumping the starter sylenoid.. Sounds like an issue with the starter or sylenoid..
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Okay thanks guys, will try all suggestions.
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Starter and starter solenoid check out, we removed the starter and solenoid assembly from a donor car and it started the donor car up just fine. Next is to replace the starter relay with the relay from the donor car. (morning)

Weird thing is the car started and ran fine after we did the pound the key in the froze up ignition cylinder, once we got the key to turn, we replaced the ignition cylinder (tumbler), now we have the no start issue.

If its not the starter relay, I am stuck, looks like it will go to a automotive specialty electronics shop.
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Weird thing is the car started and ran fine after we did the pound the key in the froze up ignition cylinder, once we got the key to turn, we replaced the ignition cylinder (tumbler), now we have the no start issue.
You should check the operation of the ignition switch. You swapped the starter, so obviously the starter is not getting the go-ahead from the starter relay. Swapping the relay will likely do nothing. It's very rare for a relay to be bad. Maybe 2-3 times in 8 years on this site. I've never personally had a bad relay in any vehicle I've worked on. I would plug in the N/S switch, and unplug the starter relay. Then I'd use an electrical tester to be sure that the relay is working correctly. Relays are merely automated switches. The small pins are the "coils" which is the electrical signal that tells the relay to change position. Then you have 2 pins for normally open operation which should be the wires going to the starter. You're looking for continuity not voltage to tell you if it's working. You should find 12v to ground on one of the coil pins, and one of the normally open pins regardless. When you turn the key to start, then you should have continuity between the coil pins. You may have a blown fuse on the coil circuit.

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Old 04-06-2012, 10:04 AM   #9
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Replaced the starter relay AND ignition switch,cleaned negative battery to chassis ground contacts, no start still!!!!
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All fuses and relays have now been replaced. Thinking I will replace both battery cables with known working ones from my other focus. Also when I get it running it will be getting the BIG 3 upgrade!!
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