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Old 04-03-2012, 10:30 AM   #11
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I dont have a part number because i got it off a junk escape engine used , i would imagine you can just go to ford parts and tell them you have a 2006 ford escape with a 2.3 4cyl and tell them you need the pulley and bracket where the p/s would go since it has electric p/s
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Old 04-03-2012, 10:38 AM   #12
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This is really cool. Questions...

Do you remove the fluid in the rack/lines before adding breather? I am wondering if it will be easier to turn without fluid. But then I would think you would have problems with no lubrication. I wonder if you took apart the rack and greased the moving parts?

Please give more specifics on how it drives. I assume you cant tell much difference at road speeds, how is it while parking?
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I would be very apprehensive to try this on a car that came with power steering purely from a longevity standpoint. The steering column and joint to the rack aren't meant to see the kinds of stress they will experience without the power assist and things will probably wear much faster especially if one does a lot of low speed maneuvering. For a racecar or something of that nature, I could see it, but not for a DD. TB1999 deleted his by doing something like this, but his was a dedicated track car as well and said he would never consider a PS delete on a daily driver.
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I would be very apprehensive to try this on a car that came with power steering purely from a longevity standpoint. The steering column and joint to the rack aren't meant to see the kinds of stress they will experience without the power assist and things will probably wear much faster especially if one does a lot of low speed maneuvering. For a racecar or something of that nature, I could see it, but not for a DD. TB1999 deleted his by doing something like this, but his was a dedicated track car as well and said he would never consider a PS delete on a daily driver.
i did his p/s delete on my car using the jaguar idler pulley, just looped the lines, its been that way for about a year now. It is a dd, basicly all city driving. I can not say if anything was gained on the delete as i did it at the same time as the cfm pulley kit and clutch/flywheel kit.
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This is really cool. Questions...

Do you remove the fluid in the rack/lines before adding breather? I am wondering if it will be easier to turn without fluid. But then I would think you would have problems with no lubrication. I wonder if you took apart the rack and greased the moving parts?

Please give more specifics on how it drives. I assume you cant tell much difference at road speeds, how is it while parking?
Hope the op does not mind, at crusing speed i personally like the no p/s better as you get better road feel, anything under about 5 mph though is tough.
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i did his p/s delete on my car using the jaguar idler pulley, just looped the lines, its been that way for about a year now. It is a dd, basicly all city driving. I can not say if anything was gained on the delete as i did it at the same time as the cfm pulley kit and clutch/flywheel kit.
Thanks for the input, did you remove the fluid from the lines/rack?
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I didnt ijust left the fluid in the rack and found a t-fitting and installed a breather but i can feel more power low end from it like an average bolt on.
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Here's what I am thinking. By leaving the fluid in the rack, every time you turn, you will be pushing against the fluid(resistance) as it moves from side to side through the lines. Theoretically, if you remove the fluid it will be easier to turn because you will only be moving around air. This will probably only help at low speeds, like when parking. The only problem with this is that you are left with no lubrication. I wonder if it is feasible to take the rack apart and grease everything?

Of course, this is all just an idea. I have never taken apart a steering rack and I do not know how it works. Maybe I am way off, I am sure someone will chime in and let us know if I am wrong.
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Here's what I am thinking. By leaving the fluid in the rack, every time you turn, you will be pushing against the fluid(resistance) as it moves from side to side through the lines. Theoretically, if you remove the fluid it will be easier to turn because you will only be moving around air. This will probably only help at low speeds, like when parking. The only problem with this is that you are left with no lubrication. I wonder if it is feasible to take the rack apart and grease everything?

Of course, this is all just an idea. I have never taken apart a steering rack and I do not know how it works. Maybe I am way off, I am sure someone will chime in and let us know if I am wrong.
P/S fluid is not so much for lubrication as it is for hydraulic pressure. You need the fluid in the rack to make it work. Air compresses, fluid does not. If you removed the fluid it would die quickly. Also, not having the pump means you have no way of changing the fluid. Once it goes bad you're going to have an even harder time and have to replace the whole rack when it dies.

In my opinion (based solely on my auto degree and not on ever having done one) the only truly effective long term P/S delete would be a full manual rack swap (early 90's escort). Sure you could make another setup work, but it will not last as a DD.
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