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View Poll Results: Which manufacturer do you dislike the most?
Honda 31 19.02%
Chevrolet 34 20.86%
Dodge 16 9.82%
Hyundai 9 5.52%
Chrysler 31 19.02%
Toyota 42 25.77%
Mazda 0 0%
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:45 PM   #181
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..........So, I went and checked the window sticker for that fleet '06 Grand Caravan C/V -- $22,010. NO, I don't necessarily know that my company actually paid sticker for it, but I sincerely doubt they paid $4,000 - $5,000 less as you suggest the vans were selling for. ..........
Mfr Incentive (rebate) programs were huge back in 2006, especially at Chrysler/Dodge. Incentives were generally bundled to total $3K or more. Domestic mfrs were all selling their vehicles for under invoice back then, minus all incentives. A cargo van that year had an invoice under $19K. A grandma unwilling to haggle could have bought that van for $16K. I priced out a brand new 2005 Grand Caravan with the revolutionary stow-and-go setup, but instead chose to buy a 4 year old 2001 van with 60K mi for $11K. I regret that decision today because it is wearing out and rusting today at 200K mi. The GC was in high demand in 2005 with the new seating feature, but out-the-door pricing was far less than you think. The deal I turned down on a 2005 was around $5800 off sticker (MSRP). That was under invoice with all incentives. Who bought a car based upon sticker in those days?

Times have changed. Today's MSRP (window sticker) is similar to 2006, but you get fewer incentives now and it's a little more difficult to buy for invoice. Plus the vehicles have more stuff standard and the motor has 280+HP. Today's domestc pricing strategy is more similar to imports.

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Old 07-21-2012, 01:01 PM   #182
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Acura, BMW Lexus. Because of the demographic that tend to drive them. Yuppies too good to use turn signals or drive like rational considerate people.

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Old 07-21-2012, 01:52 PM   #183
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Almost all brands have something worthy to drive and actually fun to drive so I'm just not a hater and didn't vote but I do have certain models I'd rather be dead before being seen in one. Ok,Dodge would be my least fav but they do have the Viper.
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Old 07-21-2012, 01:59 PM   #184
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I'm gonna have to say: Chevrolet, BWM and Honda
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:05 AM   #185
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Almost all brands have something worthy to drive and actually fun to drive so I'm just not a hater and didn't vote but I do have certain models I'd rather be dead before being seen in one. Ok,Dodge would be my least fav but they do have the Viper.
Yeah, but your forgetting Dodge has SRT8's soon to have a new SRT4.
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Old 09-29-2012, 07:18 PM   #186
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Just chevy but thats cause im die hard ford man so i dont like the dark side.
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:11 PM   #187
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:57 PM   #188
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Nissan--they sell junk !!
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Old 10-10-2012, 03:30 PM   #189
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Toyota...sell the same crap since 10 years and now -- 7.3M recals
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:31 PM   #190
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All of my top choices aren't on the list....... VW, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes, audi and yugo.
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