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Old 07-10-2014, 01:00 PM   #1
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MTX-75 Clutch Feel Question

Hey all, Recently I have done the first swap from the DCT to the MTX-75 (You can find out more about that here) and I have a few questions about the clutch pedal and its feel. I had a few of my friends who are seasoned stick shift drivers drive the car and they all agree that the clutch pedal has no "feel" to it. This is my first stick car so I honestly don't know. I do know that I have to almost slip the clutch a little off the line with RPMs over 1500 to get it going... I expected the high RPMs since its a small 4 cylinder. Also, my clutch feels like it grabs more in the middle of the pedal and I know some people say it grabs right at the floor.

Honestly, im trying to figure out if I need the bleed the system again. Would you guys say that our clutch pedal has no "feel" to it?

Also, if anyone from NJ sees this I would love to meet someone with a 5 speed from the factory and see how close/different mine is. Never driven a factory one before so I am not sure how close mine is to 100%.


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Old 07-10-2014, 02:25 PM   #2
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Mine grabs in the middle maybe a little higher, it's light but has feel. Drive a Honda, 0 feel. Drive a GTI, it's very similar to feel to a mk4. The ST is totally different, little bit heavier, shorter, and closer to the bottom. I can do a video with torque showing my revs and the pedal if that helps.
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Mine grabs in the middle maybe a little higher, it's light but has feel.
Mine is the same exact way. a little feel but not much, and grabs in the middle.
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Mine grabs in the middle maybe a little higher, it's light but has feel. Drive a Honda, 0 feel. Drive a GTI, it's very similar to feel to a mk4. The ST is totally different, little bit heavier, shorter, and closer to the bottom. I can do a video with torque showing my revs and the pedal if that helps.
Yeah, my friends said that most new cars have no feel now-a-days. Just making sure things are okay. A video would be nice... Would be nice to see someone who is seasoned with the car take off to compare to how im doing and see how I can improve.

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Mine is the same exact way. a little feel but not much, and grabs in the middle.
Yep, sounds about right.
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A clutch set up for light pedal pressure isn't going to have the obvious "feel" of reduced pressure on your foot as it starts to engage that you'd get from one that takes a lot to push the pedal down & release the clutch.

This isn't that big an issue as the clutch starts to engage before you can feel the pressure change on your foot no matter how stiff the pedal. It just takes more sensitivity to guess where the engagement point lies from "feel" without actually selecting a gear & trying it.

On smaller engines when you're not engaging the clutch at idle RPM, it helps to "blip" the throttle to raise RPM before starting to engage the clutch (letting it out, not pressing it) then adjust throttle as needed during engagement/acceleration.
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I hate the clutch action. Mine is towards the top, and it's nigh impossible to start it out the way I have on every other car for the last 30 years. I swear it has more to do with the software settings and the stupid drive by wire throttle than anything. Ugh.
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On smaller engines when you're not engaging the clutch at idle RPM, it helps to "blip" the throttle to raise RPM before starting to engage the clutch (letting it out, not pressing it) then adjust throttle as needed during engagement/acceleration.
This is what I've always done, and I swear this car just wants to die out as soon as I blip/release/slip & add throttle. And, as I try to slip the clutch a little and add more throttle to counter act, the throttle does not respond. Drives me bananas.
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Have you noticed that when you have the car in neutral and the clutch disengaged the rpm is about 6-700 rpm but when you engage the clutch the rpm climbs to 8-900?
It drove me nuts and made it hard to have a smooth take off. So I had injected raise the idle about 50 or so rpm to lessen that B.S. Feels much better now.
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Finally, I'd been trying to settle this, I just didn't know how to explained... I'm having a hard time trying to engage gears
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I think they designed it to run middle of the road in use to please most. I like it.

Just enough weighting for everyday use but not pansy light. Its weighting is matched to the other pedals. Engagement is in the middle of travel for city traffic "in&out" but low enough to sport around in. And with enough feel and communication in the engagement to drive smoothly, but can hook quick if asked. Some makers like Kia and a few Mazda have there clutches behave like on/off switches. That is not sporty its annoying.
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