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Old 04-04-2012, 04:35 PM   #81
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FAIL. BMW owners and their claims as the ultimate driving machine. LOL. I'll give you that any M car has crazy good numbers anyway you look at it untill you get to the MSRP. Unless you get an M car any new BMW has so many electronics that a monkey with half a brain could drive it. An ultimate driving machine should reward a good driver not limit them. My friend has a 2011 335 I've been in it not impressed at all. He can't even do a burnout with out finding a way to trick the computer. For the price of your 335 I'll take a new boss to spank you and a focus to save gas. And prob still have some money left over.


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I have been thinking about this a lot bc I'm finally selling my e39. The focus is certainly not as fun as that car, but it is quiet, solid, reasonably fast and gets 2x the gas mileage. It also costs 1/2 as much.

The fact that the two cars can even be compared is a huge huge win for ford.

I think there are two things keeping my focus down. FWD and the tires.
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Old 04-04-2012, 04:40 PM   #82
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I have been thinking about this a lot bc I'm finally selling my e39. The focus is certainly not as fun as that car, but it is quiet, solid, reasonably fast and gets 2x the gas mileage. It also costs 1/2 as much.

The fact that the two cars can even be compared is a huge huge win for ford.

I think there are two things keeping my focus down. FWD and the tires.
get the handling package, it has some of the best tires made.
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Old 04-04-2012, 04:50 PM   #83
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An ultimate driving machine should reward a good driver not limit them. My friend has a 2011 335 I've been in it not impressed at all. He can't even do a burnout with out finding a way to trick the computer.
I'm curious. This friend of yours that wants to do burnouts in his 335--do you consider him one of the "good drivers" that is being limited, or a "monkey with half a brain" as you put it?
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get the handling package, it has some of the best tires made.
This is true the PS3 are a good tire, however it still doesn't handle that well.

I have a 335 and my wife has a focus. The 335 you giggle like a 6th grade school girl every time I drive it...it's that much fun. There is no comparison between the performance/handling between the two. However, the focus has all the "luxury" features that the BMW has and I love to drive it. The fuel economy and performance is amazing for what you pay. I bought the BMW CPO with low mileage (two years old with 15K) and it was only slightly more expensive than the Focus. They are both great cars that I would buy again and I wish my wife could drive a stick and we would have held out for the ST...this discussion will be different once that comes out.
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As you can see below, I have a 2012 SE and a 2012 135i. To be fair, they are two different cars, especially with respect to the front-wheel/rear-wheel drive feeling. Having said that, the Focus drives just about as well as my 2010 Mazda 3, and that is pretty high praise for a small, inexpensive car. The 135i is really a different class; faster, quicker, very firm ride and great handling. I agree with the last poster about the fact that you can ask the question with a straight face says a lot about what Ford did with this car.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:47 PM   #86
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The 1-series is a great car (I've driven the 128i/135i, but no 1M, sadly) and is head and shoulders above the Focus (cost excluded). Would love to own one....

To me, the Focus has a different feel than the Mazda3 (I have an '07S)...not quite as nimble and the motor has less punch. But, it is still a very good car in the segment it is in...I suppose it's unfair to compare a base Focus to a Mazda3 with the 2.3 (though they have similar rated power) -the upper trims are probably much more competitive. In any case, it's the Golden Age for economy car buyers...
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Having just assisted my mom with buying a Hatchback SEL, I'm on here to read up on things for when she needs help with her new car. This thread piqued my interest.

What I found interesting is that there's no mention of VW/Audi, the Golf platform in particular. That seems to be more of an appropriate comparison. I saw one of the promotional videos by Ford and the chief engineer touched on how his team used the Audi A3 as a benchmark for development. It makes a lot of sense now that I've driven the 2012 Focus.

Great exterior design: I personally think the hatchback has better proportion than the sedan and it wouldn't surprise me if the first draft of this Focus was a HB.

Nice interior materials: Most would agree that Audi is among the top when it comes to interior design and materials. I'm impressed with how nice things are to the touch for a car in this segment. Ford has certainly one-upped the Japanese competition this go-round and offered better value than the German.

Good driving dynamics: for a FWD vehicle @ 3,000 lbs, the Focus handles very well. I drove a SEL HB back to back with my R32 (which is mostly FWD with its Haldex AWD system) and really amazed at how good the Focus is. I was saying to myself "this car handles more like a VW than the new Jetta that I drove a few months back!"

Overall, this new Focus is a great package and I would have bought one if I didn't need an AWD commuter.
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OP here, bringing this back to surface to update..

In short, no… not a good move from BMW to focus… for the first 5k miles I would say yes it was! and I was actually making fun of my wife driving the $45k 3 series averaging 18mpg vs my $18k focus averaging 32mpg as both felt equally solid on the road…

But it is the Ford culture/attitude and lack of resolve that steps in fast to land you back to reality… after the first 5k miles the issues started.. A/C.. front-end clunks, highway vibrations… numerous dealer visits… phone calls with corporate.. and ultimately no true resolution other than “normal characteristic”… it is just too much of a frustration.. and here is perhaps the single largest difference- it just wouldn’t take this much effort with BMW and it would yield results (I know there is a price segment difference but then again one can get a CPO BMW for about the same as a new focus)
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"Normal" is the buzz word with Ford. It's their parlay to get out of making things right.

I could have bought a used 3 series for the same amount of money my Focus will end up costing me.

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OP here, bringing this back to surface to update..

In short, no… not a good move from BMW to focus… for the first 5k miles I would say yes it was! and I was actually making fun of my wife driving the $45k 3 series averaging 18mpg vs my $18k focus averaging 32mpg as both felt equally solid on the road…

But it is the Ford culture/attitude and lack of resolve that steps in fast to land you back to reality… after the first 5k miles the issues started.. A/C.. front-end clunks, highway vibrations… numerous dealer visits… phone calls with corporate.. and ultimately no true resolution other than “normal characteristic”… it is just too much of a frustration.. and here is perhaps the single largest difference- it just wouldn’t take this much effort with BMW and it would yield results (I know there is a price segment difference but then again one can get a CPO BMW for about the same as a new focus)
I've seen alot of people on this forum saying that they have tons of problems with their Focus and I've never had any of these problems (clunking, vibes, A/C) and I AutoX the crap out of my car and drive it 24k mi a year.

The one problem I did have was when my buddy broke the driver seat by literally jumping into the car, Ford replaced it under warranty with absolutely NO probelms.
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