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Old 01-05-2012, 04:09 AM   #31
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I am certain he would have lost in the Focus with the DCT unless there is a good way to load up RPMs and letting the computer "dump" (if it will) the clutch(es)...

Anybody find a good way to launch the DCT??
I think you can launch by selecting "S", foot on brake, foot on accel, then release brake.
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Old 01-05-2012, 05:06 AM   #32
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If anyone is curious about the differences between the USDM 5 speed, 6 speed DCT, EDM 5 speed and EDM 6 speed manuals I made a chart of the different gear ratios. The picture is upside-down but you can flip it on your computer. The USDM 5 speed has longer ratios than the PowerShift, letting it hit 60mph in second gear while the PowerShift has to shift into third at 50+mph.

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Old 01-05-2012, 07:26 AM   #33
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DPS6 Gear Ratio Chart

Gear / Ratio / Final Drive / Overall Ratio

Reverse / 3.508 / 4.35 / 15.270
1st / 3.917 / 3.89 / 15.254
2nd / 2.429 / 3.89 / 9.459
3rd / 1.436 / 4.35 / 6.250
4th / 1.021 / 4.35 / 4.446
5th / 0.867 / 3.89 / 3.375
6th / 0.702 / 3.89 / 2.735
I'm seeing the 'final drive' shifting between 3:89 and 4:35, which is likely the result of how the power is routed thru' the transaxle. The axle ratio itself (ring and pinion) isn't apt to be changing. Again, referring to stone-age technology, some older cars had 'overdrives' behind the transmission, generally for better gas mileage or more relaxed highway cruising, and because the engineers couldn't justify a newer more-than-three-ratios transmission. Don't think that's what is happening here either.
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We may be hung up on semantics here, and I don't want to flog it half to death. To my mind, 'final drive' is the ratio that delivers power to the driven wheels via the ring and pinion; my Rubicon has a 4:11 rear end (front end as well..). If we're talking about something else here, so be it.
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Old 01-05-2012, 08:29 AM   #34
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I think you can launch by selecting "S", foot on brake, foot on accel, then release brake.
You don't have to be in S mode to do it. Drive does the exact same thing. Launch mode works fairly well on this car.
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Old 01-05-2012, 02:21 PM   #35
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I'm seeing the 'final drive' shifting between 3:89 and 4:35, which is likely the result of how the power is routed thru' the transaxle. The axle ratio itself (ring and pinion) isn't apt to be changing. Again, referring to stone-age technology, some older cars had 'overdrives' behind the transmission, generally for better gas mileage or more relaxed highway cruising, and because the engineers couldn't justify a newer more-than-three-ratios transmission. Don't think that's what is happening here either.
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We may be hung up on semantics here, and I don't want to flog it half to death. To my mind, 'final drive' is the ratio that delivers power to the driven wheels via the ring and pinion; my Rubicon has a 4:11 rear end (front end as well..). If we're talking about something else here, so be it.
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Agreed, I don't think the final drive ratio can change without one of the old-style external overdrive setups or a 2-speed rear end. The final drive ratio (differential ratio) on the Focus is fixed.
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Agreed, I don't think the final drive ratio can change without one of the old-style external overdrive setups or a 2-speed rear end. The final drive ratio (differential ratio) on the Focus is fixed.
Ford list one final drive ratio for 1, 2, and 5, 6. Then another for 3-4. I linked the driveterain spec sheet that Ford released listing the ratios in an earlier post...we have gotten way i think lol!

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Agreed, I don't think the final drive ratio can change without one of the old-style external overdrive setups or a 2-speed rear end. The final drive ratio (differential ratio) on the Focus is fixed.
From the service manual:


The DPS6 is a fully automatic, dry dual clutch, automatic shifting manual, electronically controlled 6- speed transaxle.

Its abbreviated designation DPS6 means:

•D — Dry dual clultch
•P — Powershift
•S — Synchroinized
•6 — 6 speed transmission

This transmission features the following:

•Computer Control with electro-mechanical actuation
•Two piece aluminum housing design
•Six (6) discrete stepped forward gears and one (1) reverse gear
•Dual Output shafts with two separate final drive ratios
•Full ball and roller bearing design for all gears and shafts
•All gears are bevel cut for improved NVH characteristics and power transfer
•All gears are in constant mesh for no loss of torque during the shifting process
•All cast construction of shift fork/linkage mechanisms
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You don't have to be in S mode to do it. Drive does the exact same thing. Launch mode works fairly well on this car.
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Went from 2004 bmw performance package 330i to 2012 focus ti - sports susp/18inch wheels.

Focus is a fun car to drive, but my old beemer i could drive through curves at 90mph and it would feel like I was going 60 or 70. Bmw had a naturally lower center of gravity, and also a lot rougher of a ride due to the stiffer suspension. Better handling goes to the bmw hands down. That bmw was the best driving car I've experienced in a sedan.

But why the move to focus? - Way cheaper price for a comparable technology gadgets, Cheaper parts and labor overall, and lastly paying 130-150 dollars a month in regular gas as opposed to 270 a month in required premium gas. Love the focus.

btw, I think the comparison is an apples to oranges comparison.
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Went from 2004 bmw performance package 330i to 2012 focus ti - sports susp/18inch wheels.

Focus is a fun car to drive, but my old beemer i could drive through curves at 90mph and it would feel like I was going 60 or 70. Bmw had a naturally lower center of gravity, and also a lot rougher of a ride due to the stiffer suspension. Better handling goes to the bmw hands down. That bmw was the best driving car I've experienced in a sedan.

But why the move to focus? - Way cheaper price for a comparable technology gadgets, Cheaper parts and labor overall, and lastly paying 130-150 dollars a month in regular gas as opposed to 270 a month in required premium gas. Love the focus.

btw, I think the comparison is an apples to oranges comparison.
While they are completely different segments, so yeah, apples to oranges.. keep in mind the 2012 Focus outdoes the e46 3 series on the skidpad. The handling differences between the two cars is actually not as much as one may think, and some might even say the Focus is a better handler.

For less than 20 grand the FWD Focus achives .91g on the skidpad which is remarkable.

Like i said earlier in the thread my dad owns a '01 330ci sport package which I've driven for hundreds of miles so I know both cars very well. The bimmer is way more refined and provides better road feedback through the steering wheel but to be honest I feel just as confident blasting through corners in my Focus than I do in my dad's car.
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