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Old 03-07-2013, 03:38 PM   #791
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Just because there are a few isolated stations that do not sell fuel with ethanol in the country ....

did you even look at the site?! 6500 stations that sell ethanol-free gas. That is more than "a few stations"
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:50 PM   #792
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did you even look at the site?! 6500 stations that sell ethanol-free gas. That is more than "a few stations"
I've looked, and compared to the total number of stations that's a drop in the bucket relatively speaking.

Other than one station for recreational fuel that's not really road legal I don't see any stations near me that claim to lack ethanol.

Per fueleconomy.gov there were at or over 168,000 gas stations in the United States as of 2004.

Supposing that 100% of the stations listed still actually had E0 fuel at all or were even open to the public for road use, leaded av-gas doesn't really count, and nor should fuel at the marina that means that up to 3.86% of all the listed stations in the country claim to have fuel without ethanol in it. Which is as I said a drop in the bucket compared to the total number of stations selling fuel.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/quizz...erQuiz16.shtml

Under 4% qualifies as only a few stations relative to the total number in the system.
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:52 PM   #793
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did you even look at the site?! 6500 stations that sell ethanol-free gas. That is more than "a few stations"
6500 stations across a whole nation is really only a few stations in the grand scheme of things. There are plenty of states that have very few to none stations that have ethanol free gas.
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if you look at the map on that website you'll see all of those e0 gas stations are in rural/middle of nowhere areas. My brother lives in Harrisonburg, VA though and when I go visit him I'm going to fill up on e0 and have some fun!
It's not bad for the car, right?
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6500 stations across a whole nation is really only a few stations in the grand scheme of things. There are plenty of states that have very few to none stations that have ethanol free gas.
Exactly, using the last known statistics from the federal government that I could find from 2004 puts 6500 stations at less than 4% of the total in the country assuming they were all valid.

It would also require that the stations sell fuel that was road legal which would also significantly narrow the list down since many of the listed stations sell e0 as recreational fuel or for off road use only. (Air/ land/ sea) E.x. being used for the generator on an RV.

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if you look at the map on that website you'll see all of those e0 gas stations are in rural/middle of nowhere areas. My brother lives in Harrisonburg, VA though and when I go visit him I'm going to fill up on e0!!! gulp [beer]
It's not bad for the car, right?
E0 won't hurt the car, in fact you should see better fuel economy by stripping out the ethanol.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:01 PM   #796
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I am very lucky to have a station near me that sells ONLY non ethanol regular gas. I tried a tank and got very little change in MPG. I have worked my refuel schedule so I can fill up there every time. I am now on my 3rd tank and I am getting much better MPG. I filled up Friday, worked all weekend putting 228 Mi on the hatch and I filled up/topped off this morning with 5.5 gl. that is 41.45 MPG. My last MPG check was 36.8 MPG so that is an improvment of 4.65 MPG.
Note on my driving-35 mi one way to work 30 mi on highway at 70 MPH for about 350 mi per week. I have 8k+ on the car now over about 5 months.
Of course your mileage is better using non ethanol fuel. Adding ethanol to fuel is a joke. It causes the fuel to burn less efficiently and therefore your MPG suffers. The only groups that benefit from ethanol being added to fuel are the corn farmers and the oil companies because their profits go up because we have to buy more fuel. The only thing ethanol is good for is making horsepower, and you don't see any 40mpg ethanol dragsters around.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:05 PM   #797
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Consumers/drivers have got to wake up and start protesting this crap. This whole industry was created by lobbyist and is being perpetuated by same said lobbyist. It is time to remove/eliminate any mandates on gallons/barrels of this crap to be blended and any subsidies to corn growers or ethanol producers. If this crap is as great as the slick websites put up by the corn grower/ethanol producers and their suposed independent third party fact checkers, yeah right, then this industry should be able to stand on its own. E85 is the only blend that should be available, period. The rest is just contamination of what was once good fuel.
+1000, that's absolutely correct!
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:18 PM   #798
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http://blog.truecar.com/2011/03/03/p...s-regular-gas/

http://www.cartalk.com/content/premium-vs-regular-0

http://ask.cars.com/2012/03/does-pre...r-mileage.html

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...emium-gas.html
"In a test conducted for Marketplace, Stanfel fuelled up a 2013 Chevrolet Cruze — which is designed for regular fuel use —with Shell's regular, then premium V-power gas, and simulated identical drives with each. He found the high octane fuel didn’t burn efficiently and produced extra hydrocarbons, compounds that contribute to the formation of greenhouse gases."
Yep all octane does is prevent combustion under higher atmospheric pressure, hence high compression motors or artificially produced higher compression, forced induction, motors. So unless you have a very high compression ratio or running a lot of boost, more than 10 psi, you don't need higher octane fuel. But our DI motors act differently.
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Old 03-07-2013, 10:45 PM   #799
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I am just waiting on cessna1 to chime in and explain to us all how destroyed tanks and fuel systems, damaged 2 stroke equipment and boat motors is a good thing, and why owners of said equipment and classic and antique cars and motorcycles are just suppose to suck it up and deal with the damage and or cost of retrofitting their vehicles at their own cost so the corn growers and ethanol producers can continue to force this crap on the rest of us through their continued lobbying of congress, and E0 quickly becomes a thing of the past.
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AZ, I was just sticking up for ethanol on my favorite airplane forum and had to prove something to myself before I posted. Two years ago I mixed a gallon of E10/oil for the Stihl 017 that my dad bought new in 2001. I use it once in awhile to cut small scrub trees down. It warmed into the 40's today so I just cut another tree. Think of that, the two year old fuel still made the saw run. I think my secret is that the jug of fuel and the tank on the saw are sealed from the atmosphere.
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