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Old 03-05-2013, 09:30 AM   #751
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Just wait, E15 is on the way, it will be replacing E10 in the next few years....
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Consumers/drivers have got to wake up and start protesting this crap. This whole industry was created by lobbyist and is being perpetuated by same said lobbyist. It is time to remove/eliminate any mandates on gallons/barrels of this crap to be blended and any subsidies to corn growers or ethanol producers. If this crap is as great as the slick websites put up by the corn grower/ethanol producers and their suposed independent third party fact checkers, yeah right, then this industry should be able to stand on its own. E85 is the only blend that should be available, period. The rest is just contamination of what was once good fuel.
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This might help: http://pure-gas.org -this list includes Canada and US
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This might help: http://pure-gas.org -this list includes Canada and US
Thanks, I have seen that, but doesn't help much here in AZ as it only list 4 stations in all of Ariziona, and that is probably accurate. None in or near the Phoenix valley.
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Just wait, E15 is on the way, it will be replacing E10 in the next few years....
Just think, oil companies will be able to make even lower octane/lower quality sub-octane gas to blend at that %.
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It is almost impossible to purchase 87 octane without ethanol. I've checked 6 places listed on the pure gas page and none still have it. I spoke to the owner at one, an independent station. He said it simply isn't available anymore. That he knows of no where that still offers it.

You can get 91 octane w/o ethanol. However as the Focus isn't tuned for 91, that's a waste of money.

As to E85, that has only 74% as much energy as E10. So unless you can find it for at least 25% less than the price of E10, it is a waste of money too.

Its really too bad that ethanol-free 87 has gone away. It is the best choice for the Focus, as well as any enthusiast 87-tuned car.

If I had a BMW or Audi or GTI or any 91-tuned vehicle, I would certainly frequent those few stations still offering ethanol-free 91. There's one a half-mile from me.
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You can get 91 octane w/o ethanol. However as the Focus isn't tuned for 91, that's a waste of money.
The Focus is tuned for whatever you put in it. If I could find 91 E0, it would be all I would run. You need to try a few tanks of the good stuff and report back.
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The Focus is tuned for whatever you put in it. If I could find 91 E0, it would be all I would run. You need to try a few tanks of the good stuff and report back.
I don't see how that is possible. The ECU is programmed to burn at a specific temperature. It doesn't have a turbo. So they had to optimize it at a specific octane. And they choose 87. If you run 91 into an engine programmed and designed to burn 87, then it will not completely combust and you will have unburned fuel exiting via the exhaust. And it will produce less horsepower.

The ST is another story. That will definitely run better on 91.
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I don't see how that is possible. The ECU is programmed to burn at a specific temperature. It doesn't have a turbo. So they had to optimize it at a specific octane. And they choose 87. If you run 91 into an engine programmed and designed to burn 87, then it will not completely combust and you will have unburned fuel exiting via the exhaust. And it will produce less horsepower.

The ST is another story. That will definitely run better on 91.
Please feel free to go and educate yourself.
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http://blog.truecar.com/2011/03/03/p...s-regular-gas/

http://www.cartalk.com/content/premium-vs-regular-0

http://ask.cars.com/2012/03/does-pre...r-mileage.html

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...emium-gas.html
"In a test conducted for Marketplace, Stanfel fuelled up a 2013 Chevrolet Cruze — which is designed for regular fuel use —with Shell's regular, then premium V-power gas, and simulated identical drives with each. He found the high octane fuel didn’t burn efficiently and produced extra hydrocarbons, compounds that contribute to the formation of greenhouse gases."
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