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Old 11-04-2011, 06:45 PM   #11
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Yes and all four. I swear by them after driving on lake shore drive during the blizzard of 2011 when people were getting stuck and stranded because of the snow. Cars were stuck there for a day and half. They only car that passed me was Jeep Cherokee.
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If you don't mind spending the money its a great investment for your safety and others. If everyone had proper winter tires there would be a lot less spin offs every winter.

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Contrary to some who believe snow dogs are only for snow they actually are great in icey conditions too.

Funny story- last winter I was talking to a couple buddies that had 4wd SUVs about how great my car is in the winter now with the snow tires. They were sayin it couldn't be that great being only a fwd. So at the time there was about at least 10" of snow in the front yard. I backed the car onto the street and drove over the curb into the front lawn and around to the driveway without getting suck. And I didn't drive fast either very slow and steady. They couldn't believe it! Niether could I actually.

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Depends on WHERE you drive. IF your driving is entirely on freeways and city streets, then no, you do not need Winter tires.

Wow where did you get your degree from. I guess this is just a big scam from the tire companies to get us all to buy winter tires to make the oil companies rich.


IF you have a unpaved drivway, or a two lane road which is in the country you travel on regularly.. then yes get snow tires.

I live in the big city. I NEVER buy snow tires. They are a total waste of time and money for me. I am 62 years old and have driven in snow every Winter since i was 15 years old.

The "big city" wow and the rest of us live where?


Snow tires are for SNOW, not for plowed streets.

Where do these facts come from I have been driving in Toronto, New York Montreal, Vancouver and Seattle. All known for rather quick response to snow removal of the travelled portions of the roads but not the side streets, parking spots, malls or other no so well travelled area's


Around me, snow tires might be needed a few times all Winter, and THAT only if you have roads that do not get plowed often.

I would never pay for snow tires in S.E. Wisconsin.
Up North it may certainly be a different matter.

Funny how a LOT of folks who post here are big on snow tires.. I guess they can rant and rave all they want about the benefits..
I would not bother to use them if I got them FREE!!!!!!!!!


You know really I see good advice in most of these posts but not in this one.


(As i have mentioned previously.. my last car i had 12 Winters, and all 12 Winters I left the 'Summer Only' ultrahigh performance tires on all year round. I NEVER had a single problem with using them in Winter. And yeah they had poor traction when the snow is just right, no problem in my mind. They still stop just as good.)

And a good task to perform every time first snow: Go find a BIG empty parking lot, go crazy driving around in circles, skid, brake hard, spin out, Have a BALL. This gets you back to remembering what it is like in snow fast. And then adding in remembering not to drive too close and you are set.
Oh and have your wallet and drivers license because that what you will loose for driving without reasonable consideration, and also for driving without due care and attention.


I have seen this discussed many times and 99% of the people advising are using very good common sense, then there is always a person who comments on how they drove for 15 years with bald tires on their rear wheel drive vehicle and never had a problem.

Since January 1976 I spent over 32 years in Policing starting in traffic, switching to I&P back to traffic then organized crime, plains clothes and drugs and finishing in traffic.

Of 32 years I probably spent a little over 12 year in accident investigation, not because I was forced but because I liked to. I ended up as a traffic analyst and was qualified as an expert witness all the way to the Supreme Court.

Now back to snow tires. There are over 4 types of tires which we commonly drive on, that being summer only tires, all season tires, 4 season tires and dedicated snow tires or ice radials.

Summer tires are really good in dry or wet conditions and at temperatures over 40 degrees fahrenheit.

All season are really 3 season not allowing for the fourth season that being winter.

4 season tires are generally for all 4 seasons and can be distinguished from all season by the snow flake on the sidewall

snow tires or ice radials are generally a winter only tire due to their soft rubber compound and the sypes in their treads. They are soft rubber compounds with various additives that will quickly and I mean quickly wear off in temperatures above 50 degrees.

Now one thing that people often overlook is the road or what accident investigators commonly look at think about the co-efficient of friction.

Friction is what gives the tires the ability to accelerate or stop. We need friction, otherwise we would all fall off the road as most roads have a 2.9 to 3.9 degree crown on them to allow for water to quickly flow off the road.

To determine the ability of a vehicle to stop we use the formula of

speed=15.9 times the square root of friction times distance plus or minus elevation.

In english this means that it takes about 40-45 feet for a vehicle to come to a stop at a stated speed of 30 miles per hour. As speed increases the distance to stop increases significantly.

Now in the formula I mentioned friction is determined by 2 things the road and the tires. We calculate f by the force necessary to drag the tire divided by the force necessary to lift the tire.

In plain english you get less friction as the road gets colder or becomes slippery, as in winter conditions.

An example is warm concrete has a "f" of .80-1.00
New asphalt is .70-1.00
old asphalt .40 to .60
wet asphalt .35 to .60
snow covered asphalt .20 to .40
ice or black ice asphalt .00 to .20

You will notice that black ice which occurs around 34f and that your co-efficient of friction is only upwards of .20

Now as I stated before there are 2 factors affecting your ability to stay on the road, the first I discussed above was the road and the second are tires.

Simply put the better you have the ability to obtain friction on these surfaces the better traction you will obtain and the incurred ability to start and stop which are absolutely necessary in driving, which consists of starting, stopping and turning.

Studded tires possibly give you the best traction but they also behave like skates on a skating rink, and thus the invention for ice radials.

Ice radials use silica in their compound with numerous sypes which allow them the ability to gain traction on ice or compacted snow which quickly turns to ice.

Dedicated snows otherwise known as lug tires are great for deep snow where massive clearing of snow from the tires is necessary.

4 season tires are good where there is dry snow or powder but not in excessive depths.

all season are generally the specified tires unless high performance is required in warmer conditions.

summer tires are just that, summer tires and not to ever be used where the temperature drops below 40 degrees.

Now as for driving with bald tires for over 15 years and never having a problem, I have seen people driving out of control and causing accidents for everyone else attempting to avoid them.

The DOT/MOT mandates a minimun tread of 3/32" for winter tires and 2/32" for summer or all season tires as a minimum tread depth.

People advocating that they have so much driving experience, and that winter tires are not necessary in area's where the temperature drops below 34f are accidents waiting to happen.

There is no scientific justification for making such comments, let alone believeability in what they are saying.

I have seen and investigated 132 car pile up's that could have been avoided by people having the right type of tire for the road and weather conditions (1979 401 Highway London Ontario)

Your car is your primary or secondary major investment in your life and the proper tire can possibly save your life or the life of a loved (or Hated) person in your vehicle or another vehicle you might come in conflict with.
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To preface my question, I have lived here in Wisconsin for the past fifteen winters, prior to which I have never driven in snow and have never put snow tires on any previous car.

I have just purchased my 2012 Focus and was pondering the benefit of getting snow tires. The questions are: For day to day commuting (45miles), do I need them and if I did would I see a benefit and, please dont laugh, do I need all four tires or just on the front. Thanks in advance for any input.
To answer your questions as to whether or not do you need them, I guess this is like insurance, do you need it, personally I always like to have fate on my side, by law you are probably not legally required to have them but as per my post above you should have them.

As for benefits, I am using the Michelin X-ixe/Xice2 and they are LRR/Green and Xl which is giving me a smoother ride and about a 2 mpg improvement in gas.

As for do you need 4 the answer unfortunately is yes, you need 2 for the traction wheels and I do not believe that any installer will install 2 only on a front wheel drive car.

The scientific reason you need 4 is because when you go into a heavy braking or emergency braking cycle 80-90% of the stopping power comes from the front tires thus the rear go into a light weight mode where there is a uneven traction caused and this will then cause your vehicle to counter rotate and the vehicle will spin upwards to 180 degrees.
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I believe in using winter tires. Out west where I live in Idaho, Studded snow tires are popular. I have a set of 4 for my Focus. I have them mounted on an extra set of steel wheels that I found on craigslist so that I can swap them out as I see fit. Studs will also make you winter tires last several seasons if you use them right.
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Also if you don't want to spend $600 for cheap wheels and good snow tires, find a used set just make sure they're not very old. I've seen sets for $300.

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Depends on WHERE you drive. IF your driving is entirely on freeways and city streets, then no, you do not need Winter tires.
IF you have a unpaved drivway, or a two lane road which is in the country you travel on regularly.. then yes get snow tires.

I live in the big city. I NEVER buy snow tires. They are a total waste of time and money for me. I am 62 years old and have driven in snow every Winter since i was 15 years old.
Snow tires are for SNOW, not for plowed streets.
Around me, snow tires might be needed a few times all Winter, and THAT only if you have roads that do not get plowed often.

I would never pay for snow tires in S.E. Wisconsin.
Up North it may certainly be a different matter.

Funny how a LOT of folks who post here are big on snow tires.. I guess they can rant and rave all they want about the benefits..
I would not bother to use them if I got them FREE!!!!!!!!!


(As i have mentioned previously.. my last car i had 12 Winters, and all 12 Winters I left the 'Summer Only' ultrahigh performance tires on all year round. I NEVER had a single problem with using them in Winter. And yeah they had poor traction when the snow is just right, no problem in my mind. They still stop just as good.)

And a good task to perform every time first snow: Go find a BIG empty parking lot, go crazy driving around in circles, skid, brake hard, spin out, Have a BALL. This gets you back to remembering what it is like in snow fast.
And then adding in remembering not to drive too close and you are set.
Winter tires are for more then just snow, they are also for ice and generally cold weather. They perform better then all-seasons in temps less then 45 degrees in all areas. Why wouldn't you want that? Tires are the most important safety feature of the car considering they are the other thing that touches the road. Your other safety systems can only be as good as the tires you put on the car.

And not to sound like a dick, but I have a really hard time believing you went through 12 winters running ultra high performance summer only tires. I had Dunlop Direzza DZ101's (rated ultra high performance) on my last car and got caught short with a light dusting of snow and temps hovering around 27 degrees. My car would barely get moving and went into ABS mode every time I had to stop. Summer tires were never designed or expected to be used in cold or snowy climates, it's foolish to even attempt to use them.

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Also if you don't want to spend $600 for cheap wheels and good snow tires, find a used set just make sure they're not very old. I've seen sets for $300.

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You can also find an old Volvo at a junkyard and see if the rims are the right bolt pattern, that'll save some money too.
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Snow tires are worth every penny.
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I got lucky, I only paid 50 bucks for my winter rims. They actually came off of another 07 Focus. Still have perfect paint on them no rust.
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