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Old 05-18-2012, 01:02 AM   #351
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Thanks - that explains. I drove standard for years but a knee injury has made it so I can't anymore :-(
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Old 05-18-2012, 01:08 AM   #352
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Old 05-18-2012, 06:57 AM   #353
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Thanks - that explains. I drove standard for years but a knee injury has made it so I can't anymore :-(
No clutch in the new manual focuses :)
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Old 05-18-2012, 07:23 AM   #354
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I didn't know that! I just assumed there was. Oh pooh, I would have considered getting a manual in that case.
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Old 05-18-2012, 07:29 AM   #355
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I didn't know that! I just assumed there was. Oh pooh, I would have considered getting a manual in that case.
I'm pretty sure they were being sarcastic, the manual Focus uses the MTX-75 gearbox with a foot operated clutch pedal.

The DPS6 DCT (PowerShift) transmission also uses two clutches instead of a torque converter and is mechanically similar to a traditional manual transmission but the shift actuation and the clutch engagement are managed by electric motors and sensors.

There are no torque coverters on the "Automatic" transmission equipped 2012+ Ford Focus models.
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I learned on a 73 Hornet with 3 on the column. Didn't drive my first automatic until I was in my late 20's!
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SORRY my bad totally...I meant to say no clutch in the "select shift" focuses (automatic and "manual")
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SORRY my bad totally...I meant to say no clutch in the "select shift" focuses (automatic and "manual")
If you wanted to say that there was no clutch pedal in the PowerShift DPS6 DCT then this is correct, however as was previously mentioned the PowerShift transmission uses two clutch disks one for even gear changes, the other for odd gear changes, however the actuation of the clutch is done using electric motors.

There is fortunately no lossy torque converter as in conventional planetary gear based automatic transmissions including the Mazda SkyActiv 6 speed that is used with their equivilent to the 2.0L GDI used in the Focus.

A lot of people seem to think that those transmissions are similar (the new Mazda one vs the DCT, but from what I have seen as far as engineering diagrams for the Mazda make it look a lot more like a regular automatic, one that is trying to lock up the torque converter clutch a lot sooner sure, but still very much a less efficient design.
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I learned on a 73 Hornet with 3 on the column. Didn't drive my first automatic until I was in my late 20's!
Same here, but started with a 1975 Ford Pinto Wagon with 4 on the floor.

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If you wanted to say that there was no clutch pedal in the PowerShift DPS6 DCT then this is correct, however as was previously mentioned the PowerShift transmission uses two clutch disks one for even gear changes, the other for odd gear changes, however the actuation of the clutch is done using electric motors.

There is fortunately no lossy torque converter as in conventional planetary gear based automatic transmissions including the Mazda SkyActiv 6 speed that is used with their equivilent to the 2.0L GDI used in the Focus.

A lot of people seem to think that those transmissions are similar (the new Mazda one vs the DCT, but from what I have seen as far as engineering diagrams for the Mazda make it look a lot more like a regular automatic, one that is trying to lock up the torque converter clutch a lot sooner sure, but still very much a less efficient design.
select shift/power shift same thing, right? I'm referring to an AUTOMATIC tranny with the "select shift" (aka new "manual") option, which has no clutch.
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