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Old 03-20-2012, 08:45 AM   #811
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If I have a stick should i still get the update?
Unless you're referring to an emissions/ engine controls software update, or a tsb for the steering gear, no you don't need to worry about updated software for the dual clutch automated manual transmission as they don't pertain to the single clutch manual gearbox in your base S.
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:09 AM   #812
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Interesting. I have the same production date and had the update a month or so ago. The update made no noticeable difference to me.

On the other hand, the dealer looked at my DCT again yesterday and found nothing wrong, but performed a therapeutic "memory erase". Remarkably, the memory erase seems to have made a positive difference. I had no idea the car had been through such traumatic experiences in its young life, but there you go.

With these transmissions it seems there is no one right answer; rather it's a mysterious brew of production date, software, driving stlye, environment, hardware variations, moon phase, etc. I still have to rate the DCT as about the worst transmission I have owned but it at least it's starting to approach acceptable.
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FWIW, I noticed when I picked up my car yesterday that all of my MFT settings were gone. I had to re-add my phone and all of my station presets were gone. I assume that must have been part of the procedure for flashing the PCM. Not sure if you recall noticing the same thing. If not, I wonder if they put your car down for the update but failed to actually perform it and why you noticed no difference. For me the difference is literally night and day!. My DCT is always in the same gear I would be in if I were driving a manual. Prior to the update it seemed to be in too low of a gear sometimes. Not anymore. Whipping into the parking lot at work today the gear selection was spot on.

IMHO, the DCT equipped cars require a slight change in one's expectations. I basically read the wiki on the DCT and to be fair you can't expect it to feel exactly like a traditional hydraulic transmission. It should feel for the most part like your in a 6 speed manual but one that you don't physically have to work a clutch and gear shift. The benefits (Less Power loss through the tranny, Less weight) out weight the sometimes odd situations that we might get into that would result in the DCT shifting strangely. So far for me it's been spot on.

Hope you get everything with yours worked out!.
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:34 AM   #813
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Dan, I think you're probably right! When they do the update, I believe I have read that everything is reset because the battery is disconnected. If I am wrong, sorry about that! Also, is there a possibility that they did the MFT update while you had it in there or had you already done that yourself?

The reason I came to this thread is that while it's not been problematic, I have noticed some shuddering recently. I took delivery with 14 miles on the car after test driving it was only 6 miles on it, I honestly think I'm the only person who ever drove it before I bought it! Cool! Anyway, I just hit 2,200 miles and I'm starting to notice a few things, particularly when going up hill slowly. I normally drive too fast up the hill to my apartment and it shifts fine, but if I get behind someone going show it shudders just like I was driving a manual and needed to downshift. This is really the only time it happens, other than this one area of concern I absolutely love driving this car! I like having an automatic that drives like a manual other than on this one hill where I can't manually downshift if I'm behind an idiot that's going too slow!

Anyway, is this something that the update might fix or is it just going to do that just like it would if I needed to shift from 3rd to 2nd in a manual and didn't? I went to the Ford site where I registered my VIN and of course it says there are no recall notices or field service actions. Is the TSB something different, would it not be listed here if needed? My build date is Jan. 2012, the 11th if I remember correctly, so maybe I didn't get that January TSB from the factory. Anyway, I guess I'm just thinking out loud here, I probably need to call my dealer and see what they say.
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:41 AM   #814
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IMHO, the DCT equipped cars require a slight change in one's expectations. I basically read the wiki on the DCT and to be fair you can't expect it to feel exactly like a traditional hydraulic transmission. It should feel for the most part like your in a 6 speed manual but one that you don't physically have to work a clutch and gear shift.
I think this is very true, however, it should feel like a properly driven 6 speed manual. That means it shouldn't shudder and it shouldn't have any dead spots. The shudders are just an annoyance. The dead spots are just plain dangerous. I've gotten to the point where, if I know I'll be in a position where instant response is required, I'll put the tranny into select shift mode and shift is manually. The shift are still slow, but at least I can avoid the dead spots.
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Old 03-20-2012, 11:38 AM   #815
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Dan, I think you're probably right! When they do the update, I believe I have read that everything is reset because the battery is disconnected. If I am wrong, sorry about that! Also, is there a possibility that they did the MFT update while you had it in there or had you already done that yourself?

The reason I came to this thread is that while it's not been problematic, I have noticed some shuddering recently. I took delivery with 14 miles on the car after test driving it was only 6 miles on it, I honestly think I'm the only person who ever drove it before I bought it! Cool! Anyway, I just hit 2,200 miles and I'm starting to notice a few things, particularly when going up hill slowly. I normally drive too fast up the hill to my apartment and it shifts fine, but if I get behind someone going show it shudders just like I was driving a manual and needed to downshift. This is really the only time it happens, other than this one area of concern I absolutely love driving this car! I like having an automatic that drives like a manual other than on this one hill where I can't manually downshift if I'm behind an idiot that's going too slow!

Anyway, is this something that the update might fix or is it just going to do that just like it would if I needed to shift from 3rd to 2nd in a manual and didn't? I went to the Ford site where I registered my VIN and of course it says there are no recall notices or field service actions. Is the TSB something different, would it not be listed here if needed? My build date is Jan. 2012, the 11th if I remember correctly, so maybe I didn't get that January TSB from the factory. Anyway, I guess I'm just thinking out loud here, I probably need to call my dealer and see what they say.
I would have thought the update was installed in your car at the factory based on the production date, but it can't hurt to check. If it's not there it's probably worthwhile to have it added. I don't have MFT, so can't compare that experience, but all my radio presets were still there so it wasn't a simple battery disconnect.

I agree it's a terrific car but just wish Ford had made a different transmission selection.
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What continues to astound me ... and I have issues with the DCT ... is that ford engineering was allowed to design a transmission that would allow such a wide range of reactions.
Ford was the industry leader of production line same, same components development ... and to say that it takes 1000 miles to fine tune a DCT is just dumb ...

when someone buys a around town car that may go a lot a real short trips and perhaps 50 miles a week ... it's telling us to live with a DCT that won't be "right" for 20 weeks!!!

But I am now feeling that the problems with the DCT seem also to be connected with engine performance curves. In my mind there seem to be flat spots where that engine just doesn't smoothy accelerate. I find myself relying more on S ... and if it wasn't for my wife's need for an automatic ... this would not have been my choice.
I agree this is not an issue with just the DCT but more the DCT/engine combination. To me it seems that, unless you drive it aggressively, upshifts put the engine at a weak part of the torque curve, making acceleration anything but linear and contributing to a generally "soggy" feeling. Happy with the fuel economy, but other makers seem to come up with tuning that doesn't compromise performance this much.
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Called the service department, sand when I know more about what I'm asking for than the chick answering the phone in the service dept! LOL!

I've not had the trouble from a dead stop, just shuddering when going uphill slow. Solution to that would be to not get behind Grandma Jones every freaking time I'm entering my apartment complex, this is the one place it happens regularly! Hoping the flash fixes it because I've not had any other trouble, might get them to check for the steering TSB while they're at it.


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I normally drive too fast up the hill to my apartment and it shifts fine, but if I get behind someone going show it shudders just like I was driving a manual and needed to downshift. This is really the only time it happens, other than this one area of concern I absolutely love driving this car! I like having an automatic that drives like a manual other than on this one hill where I can't manually downshift if I'm behind an idiot that's going too slow!
I have encounter the same situation as described above and there are two things I do (one or another, depending on how I feel ):
- I push more on the gas pedal to force the car to downshift
- I switch to S mode and downgrade myself the gear using the rocker.

I asked for the TSB exactly because of this (the rest was just fine), but the TSB didn't do anything to it. I don't mind too much though, but hey, if something important can be perfect, why not to ask ?

P.S. After the TSB done, I noticed the fact that the rpms are lower at high speeds (a bit lower by 50-100 rpms) and are higher at idle.
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Prolly not a good idea for me to push down more on the gas pedal when I'm already riding up some slow grandma's ass! LOL! Don't have S mode so that's not an option. :-( If I had S mode, I'd probably drive it that way all the time! My mom has a VW with what their version of shifting in an auto is and I absolutely love driving that car, it's a 2005 Beetle vert and that thing is pretty fun to drive.

I actually used to have a 2001 turbo Beetle. Man do I miss my turbo!

Still love driving my FoFo, just gotta get the little kinks worked out. For those of you who have had the reflash, how long does it take? I gotta make an appointment and be sure I don't need my car at work that day.
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