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Old 12-28-2012, 03:17 PM   #1721
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Have all of you guys been given the document from ford titled:
"PowerShift 6-Speed Transmission Operating Characteristics"?
Common sounds a driver may notice:
Double clicking metal sound; these shifting sounds are normal.
Coast Down Whine: Normal
Clicking after engine turned off: Normal
Low Speed "Grinding" Noise is caused by normal bearing rotation and does not affect durability of the trans.
Reverse Gear whine; Normal
Trailer Hitching feel: Normal
all these normal characteristics should be plastered across the windshields of every new Focus on the dealer floor and lots. How many would be sold then? NONE.
this is crap and a crappy way of covering up a huge flaw. I experienced none of this when it was new and after a break in period, called adaptive learning, all the NORMAL crap appears.
Yes i will try another dealer just as soon as i hear back from the ford engineers.
then it is off to court for a lemon lawsuit.
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:20 AM   #1722
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My point was that the only known recurring transmission problem is a leaking seal. The vast majority of "DCT problems" are directly related to the clutches (which are often contaminated with oil). In most cases, replacement of the seals and clutch assembly will do the trick.
I agree. However, my concern is how long the new seal will last after replacement. When it fails the next time, 40k?, my car would be out of warranty, and I will have to pay for the replacement, which I assume will not be cheap....
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I agree. However, my concern is how long the new seal will last after replacement. When it fails the next time, 40k?, my car would be out of warranty, and I will have to pay for the replacement, which I assume will not be cheap....
If that concerns you, buy ESP.
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If that concerns you, buy ESP.
I am hoping that Ford would extend the warranty coverage on this tranny.

ESP is no cheap either.

I miss old days with my Escort...
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:28 AM   #1725
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I am hoping that Ford would extend the warranty coverage on this tranny.

ESP is no cheap either.

I miss old days with my Escort...
We've got over 23,000 miles on my wife's 12 Ti. No leaks and tranny behaves as we expect. I'm still looking at ESP for it (and possibly my 13 ST as well) just because of all the very expensive technology in the cars.
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We've got over 23,000 miles on my wife's 12 Ti. No leaks and tranny behaves as we expect. I'm still looking at ESP for it (and possibly my 13 ST as well) just because of all the very expensive technology in the cars.
Mine has 22k miles, is currently in the shop, getting the clutch replaced.

I have been very happy with it actually. I took it in because it made light yet noticible grinding sound a couple of times when we drove CA Hwy-1 to SF, making sharp right turn and going steep uphill. It is not reproducible later on. The dealer is really great. They did not tell me any BS, just went ahead, found "a crack" on the clutch, and told me they will need a week to replace it, as it is a "custom order" (??? not sure what that means).

I guess you are right about the ESP, which I am also considering to buy before factory warranty expires, if Ford does not extend coverage on the tranny.

Wish all a Happy New Year, Focus (folks)!
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Mine has 22k miles, is currently in the shop, getting the clutch replaced.

I have been very happy with it actually. I took it in because it made light yet noticible grinding sound a couple of times when we drove CA Hwy-1 to SF, making sharp right turn and going steep uphill. It is not reproducible later on. The dealer is really great. They did not tell me any BS, just went ahead, found "a crack" on the clutch, and told me they will need a week to replace it, as it is a "custom order" (??? not sure what that means).

I guess you are right about the ESP, which I am also considering to buy before factory warranty expires, if Ford does not extend coverage on the tranny.

Wish all a Happy New Year, Focus (folks)!
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After clutch replacement, my car's been driving beautifully for 2 months now (touch wood). Re the ESP though, I think purchasing the ESP to hedge against this issue would be a really sad way for us to deal with it. The ESP is meant to cover problems which occur after the regular standard warranty expires. For this issue in particular I expect Ford to cover the cost if it occurs again in a reasonable time after regular warranty expiry since it was a well known and documented issue within the regular warranty period. In cases where clutches were replaced during the first year or 2 (like mine), and which fail again just after the regular warranty expires, I would expect my dealer / ford to cover it since the original replacement clearly would be proven not to have been done properly. Purchasing the ESP for this, to me, is like saying - "ok Ford, you are right, these DCT issues ARE normal wear and tear and I should fork out for an ESP in order to protect myself from this sort of issue". BS! I won't do that.

So far I'm really pleased how my dealer dealt with it. I did not need to argue with then about it. When the grinding got more frequent they immediately replaced the clutches no questions asked. My repair documents even indicate clearly that the clutches were worn out. If the clutches were to fail again just after warranty expiry I anticipate and expect fair treatment again. I also anticipate that Ford will extend warranties on clutch mechanisms at some point due to the well publicized dct issues (I think to 7-10 years would be fair). If they were to start to play hard ball with me on this issue just after regular warranty expiry, I would be saying goodbye to Ford permanently and would be vocal on my experience. I don't expect that to happen though as I see Ford as a strong and sensible north american automaker which I'd like to continue supporting.

As you may have guessed, my opinion about ESPs generally is that, on average, they are huge waste of money and are just a cash grab from manufacturers who know their product will usually outlast their ESP. I always laugh at the sales pitches made on the great quality of products and how well regular warranties are honoured only to be followed by a pitch for an ESP cuz "ye'know stuff can easily break". Over a lifetime I'm confident I'll come out way ahead by not taking ESPs but by being proactive when issues occur with regular warranty timeframe.
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Who pays for the extended warranties? That is, if my clutch falls apart at 70k miles and I go in to get a new one under my extended warranty, is Ford paying for it? Or is the dealer that I bought the warranty from footing the bill?

If I take my car in at 60,001 miles for clutch shuddering, is the dealer going to replace it because it’s not their ass anymore? Or are they going to fight me until the last mile of that extended warranty and say “Oh, this has been broken for YEARS!” once I hit 125,001.

I was just wondering, because if I were Zeigler (where I bought my ESP), I’d be PISSED and be sure to make Ford pay for the repairs since it was acting up well-within the power train warranty.
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Who pays for the extended warranties? That is, if my clutch falls apart at 70k miles and I go in to get a new one under my extended warranty, is Ford paying for it? Or is the dealer that I bought the warranty from footing the bill?

If I take my car in at 60,001 miles for clutch shuddering, is the dealer going to replace it because its not their ass anymore? Or are they going to fight me until the last mile of that extended warranty and say Oh, this has been broken for YEARS! once I hit 125,001.

I was just wondering, because if I were Zeigler (where I bought my ESP), Id be PISSED and be sure to make Ford pay for the repairs since it was acting up well-within the power train warranty.
Ford covers it.
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