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Old 04-21-2012, 11:19 AM   #1021
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same here... just got mine 3 days ago. Production date as per VIN is March 12th 2012.

As soon as I left the dealer's parking lot, I noticed that it was jerking & shuttering during stop & go. Before calling the dealer, I thought of coming online to find if this was normal behavior, and noticed 86 pages of this thread, with hundreds of similar situations as I have.

I tried locating the key posts with the steps to follow in reporting it to my dealer, but my head is spinning from reading all the content here!

Can someone let me know what is the exact TSB (is there a TSB# I can refer to) when I call the dealer?

Thanks! :)
The current TSB only applies to cars built before 12/1/11. So no, it would not apply to your car.
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Old 04-21-2012, 11:58 AM   #1022
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The current TSB only applies to cars built before 12/1/11. So no, it would not apply to your car.
Thks DBrim. Then, the symptoms I've read here are SO similar to what I'm experiencing so far. Especially at a dead stop, it feels like I'm driving a manual and from 0-20km. Gear shifting is certainly not smooth... to a point, I had a Starbucks coffee spill due to the jerky/shifting!

Anyhow, if it's considered to be normal behavior of the dual clutch transmission I'll just get used to it!
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Old 04-21-2012, 11:59 AM   #1023
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Let's work on setting up definitions:

1. DCT Chattering ... shifting into second [and less noticeably random shifts higher] ...almost sounds like something physical is loose under the car and service needs to locate the loose piece and tighten it up.
1a. "chattering" doesn't seem to be changed in most cases by the current update.
1b. "chattering" doesn't seem to be changed in most cases by ford installing a new clutch
1c. "chattering" does seem to get worse the longer you are in heavy stop go traffic on hot days
1d. "chattering" doesn't always happen 100% of the time
1e. "chattering" doesn't seem to fix itself

2. "Doubling down" ... giving it gas to get moving ... like a coin toss ... either the motor will hesitate and lug, or it will quickly double down shift and off you go.
2a. Doubling down is not predictable although may be related to how fast you are pressing the gas pedal that time.

3. "Adaptive Transmission Control System" an attempt to robotize a human's irrational driving style ... I don't know about you guys, but I drive way differently depending on my mood, whether I am late for an appointment, whether I am talking on the phone, whether the traffic is light or heavy, whether we are on a 1000 mile cross country, or whether my wife is at the wheel ... duh...

4. "lugging" ... DCT decides that it really doesn't need to downshift yet ... this is especially noticeable to drivers who have driven MTs a lot and keep saying ... WTF... when this happens ... especially if you decide to double down and wonder which way the DCT will react.

Feel free to contribute to the DCT definitions.
thanks ...

[ I'm 1 year into this car and just turned 6000 miles ... the best 1500 was on a 2 day 1500 mile trip coming south for the winter ... and I am looking forward to 1500 miles going north for the summer in a couple of weeks.]

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Old 04-21-2012, 04:09 PM   #1024
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Thks DBrim. Then, the symptoms I've read here are SO similar to what I'm experiencing so far. Especially at a dead stop, it feels like I'm driving a manual and from 0-20km. Gear shifting is certainly not smooth... to a point, I had a Starbucks coffee spill due to the jerky/shifting!

Anyhow, if it's considered to be normal behavior of the dual clutch transmission I'll just get used to it!
I did find this, about the DCT:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1092516AAp7y1g

"Answer 2" seems the best... FWIW... I have relatives who drive a 2006 Subaru; it has DCT, but they've never had any issues.

How much of this is due to us "driving it wrong" vs a design issue is up for grabs. But if the salesman says "Just drive it like an automatic; the system will learn how you drive and adapt", then that has to be considered.
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Old 04-21-2012, 05:02 PM   #1025
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I did find this, about the DCT:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1092516AAp7y1g

"Answer 2" seems the best... FWIW... I have relatives who drive a 2006 Subaru; it has DCT, but they've never had any issues.

How much of this is due to us "driving it wrong" vs a design issue is up for grabs. But if the salesman says "Just drive it like an automatic; the system will learn how you drive and adapt", then that has to be considered.
The Focus does not have a T converter . Fords big mistake
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Old 04-21-2012, 05:10 PM   #1026
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You can't have a torque converter in a manual transmission, which is what the DCT is!

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You can't have a torque converter in a manual transmission, which is what the DCT is!

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I think they're saying Ford should've just used a conventional auto on this car.

I gotta say I was pretty down on the DCT when it was shuddering but since its been behaving better I'm seeing the main benefit more clearly.
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I did find this, about the DCT:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1092516AAp7y1g

"Answer 2" seems the best... FWIW... I have relatives who drive a 2006 Subaru; it has DCT, but they've never had any issues.

How much of this is due to us "driving it wrong" vs a design issue is up for grabs. But if the salesman says "Just drive it like an automatic; the system will learn how you drive and adapt", then that has to be considered.
I haven't found anything online about a DCT ever being in a Subaru. Apparently it was considered for the WRX but never used.
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Old 04-21-2012, 07:58 PM   #1029
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You can't have a torque converter in a manual transmission, which is what the DCT is!

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Thje DCT is no a manual it a automatic,every thing in it is automatic
I cant explain it any simpler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Po...t_transmission
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Steps 1-3 take just a few minutes and are performed with the Ford diagnostic tool (IDS).

Step 4 (drive cycle) is as follows:

1. Press the brake pedal.
2. Shift to Drive.
3. Wait 15 seconds.
4. Shift to Reverse.
5. Wait 2 seconds.
6. Repeat (1-5) ten (10) times.
7. Accelerate from a stop with light throttle to 24.1 kmh (15 mph).
8. Brake gently to a complete stop (allow at least 6 seconds).
9. Repeat steps (7-8) five (5) times in dealership parking lot or similar setting.
10. Accelerate from a stop with light throttle performing 1-2, 2-3, 3-4 shifts maintaining 1700-2000 rpm.
11. Accelerate to a speed between 80.5 kmh (50 mph) and 104.6 kmh (65 mph), achieve 6th gear, keep throttle steady with engine below 3000 rpm for a minimum of two (2) minutes.
12. Repeat step 11 two (2) times.
13. Test drive the vehicle.
I live in a gated community and will do steps 1-9 there. To do steps 10-13, I would have to go the highway (several miles away).

I may do this later today, or tomorrow if I have the time.

It seems like when you have to do setp 12, you are not just repeating steps 11, but steps 10 and 11. Am I correct?
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