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Old 10-08-2011, 01:26 PM   #11
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Say, Ronnie your car will run & sound great w/ your new exhaust installed! What are you trying to do by deleting the tumble flap's? You will probitley gain some top end, but at the exspense of lower end torque, specialley w/ your header & exhaust system. You have a 20 motor, so it's going to be more noticeably than a 23 motor.
Just open up the intake a little more. Have it tuned like the add on intakes. Get rid of a few of the extra gadgets that control and monitor the flaps.

Just tear it up i guess
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Old 10-09-2011, 07:42 AM   #12
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ok i found the plugs, i need to pickup a few more and that part is out of the way.

Now im stuck on the 2 items mounted to the intake.

One is the actuator, should i just leave it connected and functioning? I mean how will it know if its working or not?

I also have this thing below the IAC which looks alot like the MAF its bolted to the main intake runner and has a little tip that fits down into the air stream. Is it another air sensing module of some kind? I dont think anyone has ever talked about it or what it does.

Says: 4S4G-9F479-AB on it and a google search says is a "MAP" sensor. I guess ill need to leave that?



There is a vac line in the center front of the intake that goes down under and around into this other unit and that goes into the actuator.



I would think since im not using the actuator thing that controls the flaps (if thats even what is called?) i could bypass it unless it throws a code the cossie doesnt use any of this stuff so i would think i wouldnt have to for this mod either?
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Old 10-09-2011, 08:37 AM   #13
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The sensor is the MAP. The other thing you have circled is the solenoid that works the tumble flaps. You can see the vacuum line that goes from the solenoid to the diaphragm. Since your deleting the tumble flaps you don't need any of this stuff. Yo do need the MAP sensor though. However, you definitely going to need a tune and you're definitely going to a CEL until you have a new tune file loaded.
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Old 10-09-2011, 03:09 PM   #14
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The sensor is the MAP. The other thing you have circled is the solenoid that works the tumble flaps. You can see the vacuum line that goes from the solenoid to the diaphragm. Since your deleting the tumble flaps you don't need any of this stuff. Yo do need the MAP sensor though. However, you definitely going to need a tune and you're definitely going to a CEL until you have a new tune file loaded.
Yeah i already talked to Tom about it, so i dont need them hooked up?

What if i just hook them up normaly but i remove the arm that connects to the tumble flaps? The solenoid with the 2 vacuum lines on it one comes out of the intake goes into the solenoid then out to the diaphram and that has the arm that rotates the flaps. I could just remove the arm and then everything would still function or think its functioning but not actually move anything.

I would rather remove everything for less clutter
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Since you took out the tumble flaps, finish it off and take the rest of it out. Dtecs have way too much junk/clutter on the motor. Removing them should deffinitly help air flow in the higher rpm.
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Since you took out the tumble flaps, finish it off and take the rest of it out. Dtecs have way too much junk/clutter on the motor. Removing them should deffinitly help air flow in the higher rpm.
Yes they do, and while i was at it i cut off all the crap on the intake as well.

There is vacuum inlet lines in 2 different places im not going to use, im going to fill those. It also had tabs and push in connector things scattered all over the thing ive cut all those off. Also the intake runners have these little fins on the top front i cut those off and sanded them all down.

I have a few more things to do then im going to paint it and throw it on. Im thinking Wednesday. My brother got an exhaust in today so we will do that first then finish mine up. Hope i can get a fune tunes in it before the weekend.
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yeah you don't need any of it. It's all gets taken out when you install a Cossie also.
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this is a cool thread. the 2.3 intake mani has two of those vacuum things, one for tumble flaps and one for runner length control. its an even more cluttered and tight fit. i just pulled mine over the weekend for the pcv delete. pulling PSUrivie's '09 2.0L mani was a lot easier i thought.
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Well after buying my exhaust and a new cluster with a tach im tapped on my budget or ide go and get a dyno run before i put this one on.

Ill have it all painted up and finished tomorrow. Maybe i can put it on later if my brothers exhaust on his car goes ok.

maybe next month i can do that.
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Old 10-12-2011, 04:11 PM   #20
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Don't match the head to the intake, you may cause more problems by doing that.

By all means let us know what kind of power you gain, and if you lose any fuel economy.
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