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Old 01-07-2012, 10:18 PM   #51
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I don't think stock shocks wear-out fast, with revised (lowering) springs so much 'cause they're moderately lower... (stock shocks will cope with that). I think it's 'cause the spring constants are higher with lowering springs (i.e. more # / inch spring rate) -- and properly controlling a higher spring-rate arrangement (i.e with a higher natural frequency of oscillation) is simply harder -- and harder on the often-times inferior OEM shocks. That's why I favour the Koni or other Sport struts. I don't think it's a waste of money.
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Old 01-07-2012, 10:42 PM   #52
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I don't think stock shocks wear-out fast, with revised (lowering) springs so much 'cause they're moderately lower... (stock shocks will cope with that). I think it's 'cause the spring constants are higher with lowering springs (i.e. more # / inch spring rate) -- and properly controlling a higher spring-rate arrangement (i.e with a higher natural frequency of oscillation) is simply harder -- and harder on the often-times inferior OEM shocks. That's why I favour the Koni or other Sport struts. I don't think it's a waste of money.
Shocks are only for a comfy ride, That's it! Spring rate is for the ride height/ weight of the car. My sport suspension has stiffer springs. That's it! I can spend 800$ on the best shock/strut and there would be no diffrence. Lower my car 2" with the same $800 setup and I still will feel no diffrence. If I keep my stock shocks, it would suck!!
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Old 01-08-2012, 10:11 AM   #53
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Shocks are only for a comfy ride, That's it! Spring rate is for the ride height/ weight of the car. My sport suspension has stiffer springs. That's it! I can spend 800$ on the best shock/strut and there would be no diffrence. Lower my car 2" with the same $800 setup and I still will feel no diffrence. If I keep my stock shocks, it would suck!!
true, if you ignore that most aftermarket struts have different low and high speed valving, giving you a comfortable ride on the street, ignoring those little bumps, but when you want to take a corner, they'll hold strong. And many aftermarket struts are adjustable for a more serious racer.

If you just drive you car from point A to point B with no real haste, then stick with stock. If you ever want to race your car, autox or on a track, I would recommend getting a set of nice performance struts (tokico blues), for a more serious racing i would get an adjustable set.
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Old 01-08-2012, 06:33 PM   #54
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Getting the strut assemblies out of the control arms up front proved to be quite the task. Had to sort of pry them apart and bang away. Things are tight in the rear...removed the sway bar to get more clearance in and out with the springs.

All in all, it was more difficult than I was expecting.
I tried to install today for several hours and could not get the struts out of the control arm. Very frustrating. I think I am going to return the springs and not put any money into my focus until after the st come out. I'm considering trading in for one since I miss my manual and power.
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Yeah the sturts taking a little work to get out , just use a rubber mallet and some elbow greece and they will come out.

Steeda had the same issue on their show car.
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Shocks are only for a comfy ride, That's it! Spring rate is for the ride height/ weight of the car. My sport suspension has stiffer springs. That's it! I can spend 800$ on the best shock/strut and there would be no diffrence. Lower my car 2" with the same $800 setup and I still will feel no diffrence. If I keep my stock shocks, it would suck!!
I'm confused about your comments: If I take a very softly sprung car (i.e. soft, stock springs) and install performance struts that could be adjusted to a high damping setting -- then in a slalom type arrangement (quick back-and-forth reversals) then I most certainly would be affecting the handling (and not just the ride). And I would be improving the performance in the slalom a lot.

By comparison, if you have weak-minded shocks on a car with substantially harder springs -- it'll jiggle so bad, that it will not stick to the road -- it'll allow the tires to become airborne, if the bumps are the right depth, sharpness, and spacing.

That's why I contend that struts and spring-rates go together, and that it's not just a ride comfort 'kinda thing.
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I'm confused about your comments: If I take a very softly sprung car (i.e. soft, stock springs) and install performance struts that could be adjusted to a high damping setting -- then in a slalom type arrangement (quick back-and-forth reversals) then I most certainly would be affecting the handling (and not just the ride). And I would be improving the performance in the slalom a lot.

By comparison, if you have weak-minded shocks on a car with substantially harder springs -- it'll jiggle so bad, that it will not stick to the road -- it'll allow the tires to become airborne, if the bumps are the right depth, sharpness, and spacing.

That's why I contend that struts and spring-rates go together, and that it's not just a ride comfort 'kinda thing.
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That's all they do. Make your ride comfortable. If you dont care about that, then slam your ride down 2" without upgrading.

Btw I'm NOT talking about racing conditions. That changes everything.

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I'm trying to figure out if the Eibach Pro-Kit is what I want. Judging by the information below, they just don't seem to lower the car enough. 1" drop is fine and I don't want to go more than 1-1/2".

matthoma, would you mind taking measurements again with about 3/4 tank of gas? How many miles do your Eibach's have on them now? I quoted your original measurements below.
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Before and After with Eibach Pro-Kit .8 inch drop springs. I used the body lines to draw the green line to better show the actual drop.

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A quick measurement in the dark produced 13 13/16in front and 13 15/16in back. I'm not sure if they are going to settle anymore at this point or not.


My wheel well measurements with just under 3/4 a tank of gas and around 6700 miles on the odometer.
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Eibach Sportline (1.5" drop) estimated availability in March

Here's the details on the 1.5" drop Sportline springs...
http://performance-suspension.eibach...d_focus_2012__
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http://performance-suspension.eibach..._sportline.pdf
All Eibach products for 2012 Focus...
http://performance-suspension.eibach.com/cms/street_performance_application_look_up"]http://performance-suspension.eibach...cation_look_up[/URL]

Shown with 16" wheels

Requires the Pro Alignment kit (MSRP $296.00)
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