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Old 06-29-2012, 04:15 PM   #1061
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Just got a call from Jim Addis Ford in Coeur d'Alene. They tell me they'll be happy to give me $14,500 trade in on my NEW Ford Fucus (with 710 miles on it) for another Focus with a manual tranny.

So, because they are (obviously) not acting in good faith, I will be filing an Idaho lemon Law claim, a BBB AUTO LINE claim, notifying ROAD AND TRACK, AUTOMIBLE mag, CAR AND DRIVER, MOTOR TREND, AUTOWEEK.COM, and all the other car type mags/internet sites I can find, as well as all major newspapers (and their internet sites) and explaining, very clearly, why it's a dangerous gamble to buy a Ford Focus on my weekly radio show.

Thanks for the listen, guys. All I've got from Ford (and any of it's agents) is nothing but more lies, attempts to steal from me, incompetence and indifference.

Gee - I bet that makes you want to buy your next car from Ford, doesn't it?
With over 200,000 2012 Focus's on the road and a limited number of complaints in this forum I wonder how far this will go?
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Old 06-29-2012, 04:52 PM   #1062
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Gahndi said: "If 50,000 people said a thing is right, that doesn't make it right."

There were 10 million Ford Pintos sold in their run from 1971 to 1980. Remember the Pinto? And how Ford said "there's nothing wrong with it".

In advertising, the experts know that for every vocal consumer, there are from 100 to 1,000 non-vocal consumers that just keep their mouths shut and vote with their pocketbooks.

So what's your point?
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Old 06-29-2012, 05:04 PM   #1063
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Gahndi said: "If 50,000 people said a thing is right, that doesn't make it right."

There were 10 million Ford Pintos sold in their run from 1971 to 1980. Remember the Pinto? And how Ford said "there's nothing wrong with it".

In advertising, the experts know that for every vocal consumer, there are from 100 to 1,000 non-vocal consumers that just keep their mouths shut and vote with their pocketbooks.

So what's your point?
It's Ghandi! And like I said, I wonder how far any class action suit will go. I also wonder who will publish anyone's derogatory comments related to the Focus.
I own a 2012 Focus with a DCT and since the upgrade that was done the beginning of May. I have no complaints.
I am not against any actions you may take. My Focus has only 3000 miles logged. I may yet have a problem, but, I still wonder!
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Old 06-29-2012, 05:23 PM   #1064
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Ford, you guys get this, you build transmission better then anyone on the plant, period
Guess you never owned a Ford with an A4 tranny.
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Old 06-29-2012, 05:43 PM   #1065
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I am reading all about the shuddering, but what about the "leap frog". My 2012 with 995 miles sometimes "leaps" out from under me when changing from 1st gear to 2nd. It happened everytime I pressed the gas today while stuck in a traffic jam.
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:49 PM   #1066
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Powershift Comparison: Fiesta vs Focus

We got 2 new cars within a couple of months: 2012 Fiesta SE and 2012 Focus SEL. I go back and forth beteen the two on a weekly or daily basis, so I have really gotten to know both.

Focus Powershift: Tried to ignore transmission issues but can't. And any "stranger" who drives the car notices the classic problems instantly and are not impressed. Even with latest reflash last month, it lurches and shudders. The shudder seems to shake the entire car. I think the biggest part of the problem is programming philosphy Ford put in it. It is always in too tall a gear. Driver is always having to kick car in the ass to get it going. Deliberate decision by Ford to get that big number on the side window sticker. It wants to be in 5th gear at 20 mph. Don't know whether Ford will be able to fix it, because they can only work within their sacred gas milage constraints. If they would give up 2 city mpg, they could fix problem easily. My daughter doesn't like to drive it. She feels like it is about to stall out when she turns left across traffic. But, Ford cannot or will not give up that artificial gas milage number for anything. Hopefully an aftermarket tuner can fix it. Any news there? Others have criticised the manual shift rocker switch. I consider it the saving grace of the car. I can keep engine at around 2000-2500 rpm and no problems. Shifts are fine. When the Powershift is making its own decisions, it wants to stay bogged down at 1500 rpm. It is a slug. I will limit comments on this post only to transmission. Lots of other good things about car. But that transmission! And again, I think most of it could be fixed easily, IF Ford would give up a couple of city mpg, which they will not or cannot do.

Fiesta Powershift: As good as Focus is bad. Fiesta Powershift is always in right place. Nimble, zippy. Push gas, it jumps. Crisp, clear, firm shifts, right rpm, right on time. No bog, no lurch, no slip, no shudder. If, for a month, you drove each car a day, you preference would be strong: In city commuting, you would get in Fiesta every time. Ford did not feel necessity to program Fiesta to bog. I guess the good news is that if the Fiesta can be so right, Ford should be able to fix Focus.

Again, this is about Powershift comparison only. Everything else in the Focus is superior. But, if I could go back six months, I would definitely get Fiesta. I am not sure I would get Focus. It took me a while to get to the point I could admit that, but there it is. Again, thank goodness for the manual shift rocker. Anytime I have a stranger in car and want to impress them, it's all I use. The Powershift embarrases you in front of company. You can almost hear them think, "what is wrong with this thing?" Again, I have a hunch only aftermarket tuner will be able to fix it. They can make the necessary compromises.
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Old 07-01-2012, 07:34 AM   #1067
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So my latest adventure with my 2012 For Focus purchased May 2011 after many service calls on it... replacement of bearing and seal, assembly front struts, shock absorb-er front, and blower motor on the air conditioner. WTF! This car is nothing but a headache. I have missed time from work due to the multiple issues on this car. Nothing like having to make a monthly payment on a vehicle you have no faith in. My husband and I both owned Fords, he traded his in yesterday due to all the service calls on his too. I AM HATING ON FORD BIG TIME... Just love how last year they contacted me had a quick conversation and then blew me off, this after a certified letter I sent. Looks like time to seek Legal Counsel.
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I am perplexed. Except for a shift lag which was corrected with the latest DCT software upgrade my 2012 Focus has become a pleasure to drive. I have not experienced any of the transmission problems expressed in this forum.
One thing I have learned is the transmission senses your pressure on the gas pedal and shifts accordingly. Almost like a stick shift. The shifting is seamless both up and down, There is no shutter or the lag that I read here.
I am perplexed.
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Old 07-02-2012, 12:45 PM   #1069
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Gahndi said: "If 50,000 people said a thing is right, that doesn't make it right."

There were 10 million Ford Pintos sold in their run from 1971 to 1980. Remember the Pinto? And how Ford said "there's nothing wrong with it".

In advertising, the experts know that for every vocal consumer, there are from 100 to 1,000 non-vocal consumers that just keep their mouths shut and vote with their pocketbooks.

So what's your point?
The point is that all car models have issues and the more popular one's get the most attention on the internet. More popular, more attention and more talk should not be confused with more problematic.

Accidents involving Pinto, Crown Vic and Explorer were all brought to light in the press due to the overwhelming popularity of these vehicles. Statistical analysis (fleet percentage) showed it is not because they were unusually dangerous. Police were expecting the Crown Vic to withstand 70MPH rear impacts when parked idling on the berm of a highway. They knew no other model car was able to withstand this sort of situation, but hey, Ghandi would say that was not an acceptable response. And Explorer owners were expecting their 10 year old dry-rotted Firestone rear tires with 100K mi to withstand continuous operation fully loaded with luggage and passengers on their yearly 80MPH round trip from Ontario to Fla.....duh. The press showed a higher number of Pintos and GM trucks exploding from hard impacts. Well it's no coincidence that combined sales of GMC and Chevy trucks made it #1 in truck sales and Pinto was also #1 in sales. Guess what....they were #1 in exploding on impact, #1 with red paint, #1 in other paint colors, #1 in total loss of brakes and #1 with burned out headlights and #1 with owners with last name of Smith etc etc. You could take the Pinto fleet and rebrand it into 4 different mfrs with 25% of fleet each and I can assure you the so-called problem would have never "surfaced".

My point is that statistical failure rates (percentage of fleet) must be used to determine the seriousness of a problem, not just the number of vocal people complaining.

The most reliable cars are not the ones with no member forums, few buyers and few owners complaining. If you use that logic, we should all buy Russian cars or perhaps Yugo. I haven't heard of any problems with those lol.
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Old 07-02-2012, 08:51 PM   #1070
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Nope. Bought mine April of 2012, and have heard from others buying 2012 with exact same problems.
I too bought my 2012 Focus in April 2012. I drove it for two weeks, then it wouldn't start. It ended up being a faulty body control module. I had a loaner car for two days from the dealer. I got my car back, and I thought it was running pretty good. But, I do notice some hesitation as described by several focus owners on this forum. Also, I received a letter from Ford about a recall on the 2012 Focus for roll-back. I've had that fixed now for about two months. Although, when I park on an incline, it acts like it wants to roll but it doesn't. I really like this car. It's sporty looking with a smooth ride. My sister likes the smooth ride and the look. My hubby notices the "weird shifting" and says I should take it in. I have about 1600 miles on it. Do I still need to drive out the kinks, so to speak?
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