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Old 07-03-2014, 12:33 AM   #1
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Springs vs coilovers

So upon installing my eibach sportline springs I came to a realization. I should have just waited and bought coilovers. For one they go lower and are adjustable. Also im frustrated by the lack of aftermarket shocks and struts. The only ones I have been able to find that are designed to work with lowering springs are bilsteins which they charge and arm and a leg for. Has anyone else found this to be true?


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I'm more than curious on this - I've seen other threads where they say some coilovers only go as low as Sportlines.

However, advertised drop with Sportlines is 1.5" (with my Vogtlands, advertised is 1.4"); so, in theory, your fender lip to ground measurement should be about 25-1/2" F/R. But I'd swear I've seen posts on Sportlines going lower than that, by about a good 1/2".

I'd love to get about another 1/2" out of my car, and unless something changes I'll go with Vogtland COs (which, factory "tuned" is about all the lower they'll go anyway - you can swap out springs I think fairly cheaply to go lower, increase spring rates etc... but then you're back to "mis-matched" spring and damper frequencies, affecting handling and ride quality, etc..., nevermind the camber curve problems once a strut goes past a particular range, blah blah blah).

Take some measurements if you would, I think I'd like to post up in one thread where everybody's ride height is at.
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Old 07-03-2014, 03:07 PM   #3
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I'm more than curious on this - I've seen other threads where they say some coilovers only go as low as Sportlines.

However, advertised drop with Sportlines is 1.5" (with my Vogtlands, advertised is 1.4"); so, in theory, your fender lip to ground measurement should be about 25-1/2" F/R. But I'd swear I've seen posts on Sportlines going lower than that, by about a good 1/2".

I'd love to get about another 1/2" out of my car, and unless something changes I'll go with Vogtland COs (which, factory "tuned" is about all the lower they'll go anyway - you can swap out springs I think fairly cheaply to go lower, increase spring rates etc... but then you're back to "mis-matched" spring and damper frequencies, affecting handling and ride quality, etc..., nevermind the camber curve problems once a strut goes past a particular range, blah blah blah).

Take some measurements if you would, I think I'd like to post up in one thread where everybody's ride height is at.
I'm measured mine one time and I believe my back was about 1/4 in higher than my front. After having my sportlines on for a month plus and lots of highway mileage I can say they have settled a lot. The front is probably a little closer to 1in and 3/4. The ride is a little bumpy especially with the stock shocks and struts.
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Old 07-03-2014, 04:32 PM   #4
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That is interesting. Mine haven't settled but a little bit, and of course I'm a Vogtland fanboi for the drop/ride combo - my ride is near stock (Eminaga has confirmed same...).

Have you got some pictures in the "post your mod" section? I'll ball park your measurements when I put together the post (and I'll see about re-upping people's pics of the cars in there too...).

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A member posted some pictures of raceland coilovers for the ms3. They look great and only cost $475.
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A member posted some pictures of raceland coilovers for the ms3. They look great and only cost $475.
For the focus? I'm not sure what the Mazda 3 has to do with this?
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For the focus? I'm not sure what the Mazda 3 has to do with this?
The 2004-2013 Mazda3 was built on the same C1 chassis as the MK3 Focus and much of the suspension is interchangeable.

It's not as ideal as specific coilovers for the Focus, but they fit.
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The 2004-2013 Mazda3 was built on the same C1 chassis as the MK3 Focus and much of the suspension is interchangeable.
Not sure I would wanna risk figment still. I'm very cautious about what suspension pieces I put on my car. I was looking at going with the h&r coilovers even if they're kinda pricy. But the price I would pay for performance shocks and struts from bilstein plus the what I paid for my springs would put me around the same price as the h&r coilovers.
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I don't think I'd want to run cheap coil-overs. I can see them being a nightmare after a little time... think blowouts and bouncy ride... Also, if the racelands are actually "tuned" to the MS3, the weight is different, so they wouldn't be matched great to the MK3.

Personally, this car is my DD. If I drop it (want to, but funds are tight), I will end up just replacing springs and probably using ST struts / HP shocks. I'm actually considering the Vogtland's. I've heard good things from Beemer guy's on them.
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Not sure I would wanna risk figment still. I'm very cautious about what suspension pieces I put on my car. I was looking at going with the h&r coilovers even if they're kinda pricy. But the price I would pay for performance shocks and struts from bilstein plus the what I paid for my springs would put me around the same price as the h&r coilovers.
I am not recommending using the Mazda 3 coilovers, just explaining that like the ill fitting V-Maxx coilovers that were designed for the actual MK2 Focus (C307) they will bolt onto the chassis, but will either not be matched properly, or lack the full range of adjustability as compared to a set properly designed for the specific application.
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