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Old 05-17-2012, 12:18 PM   #21
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I'm sure glad my 5MT doesn't have it. I see it as another way to take control away from the driver, and to me control is the reason to have an MT. My hand brake works just fine.
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Old 05-17-2012, 12:19 PM   #22
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You don't think? So you don't know... It's printed clearly that way in the manual.
I have not seen it in the driver setting menu, I only have seen the check box to turn traction control off or on, not hill start assist. The manual is not correct on this issue.

ETIS lists With Hill Launch Assist on my car, but there is no command under the driver settings menu to turn it off as previously suggested by the manual.
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Old 05-17-2012, 12:25 PM   #23
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I'm sure glad my 5MT doesn't have it. I see it as another way to take control away from the driver, and to me control is the reason to have an MT. My hand brake works just fine.
That's how I gelt about it initially, but in practice the system doesn't do anything differently than I would do as a driver, so I'm okay with it. And the brake application is just long enough to move your foot from brake to clutch, and probably cancelled by throttle input anyway, so it really can't get in your way.

This is in contrast to, say, an automatic transmission, where the car's shift logic is often contradictory to my own.

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According to ETIS, my SE Sport does not have it. I have a pretty loaded SE so I would assume all manuals don't have it (unless the Ti manuals have it).

"Less Hill Launch Assist"
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That's how I gelt about it initially, but in practice the system doesn't do anything differently than I would do as a driver, so I'm okay with it. And the brake application is just long enough to move your foot from brake to clutch, and probably cancelled by throttle input anyway, so it really can't get in your way.

This is in contrast to, say, an automatic transmission, where the car's shift logic is often contradictory to my own.

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That's a good point, and I suppose I wouldn't have a problem with it if it was defeatable.
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Old 05-17-2012, 01:44 PM   #26
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funny how the auto's have it and the manuals dont.
my wifes Escape (auto) has it as a button on the side of the shifter.

i consider my park brake to be my hill assist. :-)
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From page 278 of the current owner's manual (4th printing):

"Deactivating hill start assist
To deactivate hill start assist, perform one of the following:
Apply the parking brake.
Drive off uphill without re-applying the brake.
Wait for two to three seconds until the system deactivates automatically.
For automatic transmissions: If hill start assist is active in D (Drive), select R (Reverse). If hill start assist is active in R (Reverse), select N (Neutral).
For manual transmissions: If a forward gear was selected when the system became active, select reverse gear. If reverse gear was selected when the system became active, select a forward gear."


Makes it seem like at least some US-spec 5MT's are equipped with the feature. Or were meant to be, at one time. Or the manual made it through 4 printings without this error being picked up.
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Old 05-17-2012, 10:08 PM   #28
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From page 278 of the current owner's manual (4th printing):

"Deactivating hill start assist
To deactivate hill start assist, perform one of the following:
Apply the parking brake.
Drive off uphill without re-applying the brake.
Wait for two to three seconds until the system deactivates automatically.
For automatic transmissions: If hill start assist is active in D (Drive), select R (Reverse). If hill start assist is active in R (Reverse), select N (Neutral).
For manual transmissions: If a forward gear was selected when the system became active, select reverse gear. If reverse gear was selected when the system became active, select a forward gear."


Makes it seem like at least some US-spec 5MT's are equipped with the feature. Or were meant to be, at one time. Or the manual made it through 4 printings without this error being picked up.
I'd agree there, except the vin suggests I don't have it either. My se sport is pretty loaded. Maybe it's a titanium feature? I'm going to try to activate it next time I'm on an incline. If not There's the parking brake, but that always feels like cheating. Not much you can do when someone's on your tail.
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Old 05-18-2012, 09:52 AM   #29
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it would be nice if it was a button on the shifter.
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:23 PM   #30
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Okay so now I'm pretty confused. I'll find another hill shortly, but I tried it the other day (per the instructions in the manual) and it appeared to work. I put it in first, held down the brake, and let of the brake with the clutch still in. I didn't roll back, and was on a 30deg incline. It's possible the wheels just got caught on something, as cleveland is known for their terrible potholes.


EDIT: potholes. Damn.

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