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Old 08-28-2012, 09:39 AM   #2961
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No nobody take offence to this. Up till I joined this site I've always looked up to certin photographs and photographers. I've always tried to take photos to work my way up to the level that that they could take photographs. Then I came here and found out it was all a lie. They was taking photos and editing the crap of of them to make them look fantastic. I have always thought if the photographer was good, they would do it right the first time. Especially if you have thousands of dallors in equipment and you still have to edit them after. I still stand behind that theory. I don't want to post up what I do, because to you it looks like crap. Because I didn't edit the crap out of it, but to me it looks fantastic because it's not, and I'm proud that I was able to get the pic with out editing it.
Which photographers did you look up to?

Ansel Adams? That's usually the name thrown out most often. I can tell you he didn't get his contrasty black and white' right in camera all the time.

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So as the negative was the film photographers "score" the RAW file is the digital photographer's.

I look at post processing the same way I look at manipulation in the darkroom: both can make a good picture great, but can't make a bad picture good.

It's also interesting to note that any time you take a JPG on a camera there is post processing done. It's done in camera. The camera does what it thinks is best and then spits out a completed file. When you shoot in RAW the camera does none of that post processing, it just records the data and leaves the photographer to do the manipulation. So, in a sense, there are no pictures devoid of post processing...ever.
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Old 08-28-2012, 11:28 AM   #2962
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No editing I swear...


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Old 08-28-2012, 12:31 PM   #2963
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A successfully edited photo should not be obviously edited. A more proper term is photo retouching.

You think film photographers didn't 'edit' their photos? Think again. Dodging and burning aren't just brushes in Photoshop. Those terms originated from techniques used in the darkroom.

The photo editing stage is just one of the steps in creating a successful photograph. Of course, some photos may be close-to-perfect straight out of the camera, but many need a little tweaking to bring a photographer's vision to life.

Additionally, there's editing, and then there's HDR-abuse. I really don't feel like diving into that argument right now, but some of the photos I've seen in here are guilty of HDR-abuse.

Anyways, an example of editing.

You might remember this shot:


Here's what it looked like out of the camera:
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:02 PM   #2964
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Well you are not evading the HDR abuse topic....but my mind has a hard time delineating the difference. Take Photomatrix....some look amazing....some just look so fake. Not to mention the pixelating by really changing the highlights and darks.
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Who's to even say what a successfully edited photo looks like? I mean really...who sets the standard.
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Old 08-28-2012, 02:08 PM   #2966
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As for HDR abuse...well...90% of what I post is hdr. A well done hdr (by my definition) just looks like a perfectly exposed photo.
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As for HDR abuse...well...90% of what I post is hdr. A well done hdr (by my definition) just looks like a perfectly exposed photo.
This is 100% correct. A proper HDR will look un-edited and properly exposed with a much larger dynamic range.
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As for HDR abuse...well...90% of what I post is hdr. A well done hdr (by my definition) just looks like a perfectly exposed photo.
There's nothing wrong with HDR; as you said, a properly done HDR photo looks like a perfectly exposed photo. It's just another means of reaching a successful end result.

Bad HDRs tend to look cartoonish and heavily edited, with unrealistic colors. You'll see halos around edges, whether they're dark or light.
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does this look to be over "HDR"? Im getting a full copy of lightroom and PS tomorrow finally so hopefully i can start doing editing to make my images look better and have more abilities. Im here to get advice!

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That lacks ANY of the hallmarks of HDR at all...
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