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Old 04-11-2011, 04:22 PM   #1
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p1383 code driving me crazy!

Hi I am starting this new thread for my issue with this P1383 code. "Variable Cam Timing Over-retarded bank 1". just to update everything i have done. replaced original head with head from 03 model,new timing belt,water pump, tensioners (timing and acessory belt) VCT soleniod,cam sensor,plugs, wires, coil and even switched out whole intake cam and gear as a last resort but still keep getting this light. i have retimed this engine about 10 times now. need a ficken zipper on it. i have done it by the book over and over. everytime i have tried it again becuase everyone says the timing is wrong. well today when i did it again from the start. the timing lined up on the mark, the crank was against the pin and the cam tool was slid in both cams. i tore it all apart started over as if i was doing it for the first time. put belt on pullling tight on intake side making sure not to rotae crank. had both cam gears loose, hooked tensioner tab in hole in block rotated tensioner with 6mm allen wrench counterclockwise to line up with marks on tab. held cam in place then torqued everything down with digital torque wrench. removed timing pin,and cam tool. rotated 2 times.installed timing pin. rotated crank against pin,cam tool slid in place. i decided i would even repeat that process and it worked out perfect again. finished puttting everything else back together and started up fine ,idles fine. took for a drive seems to run fine but sisnce i never drove this car before installing timing belt i dont have anything to compare to. after 4-5 start ups and driving about 1 1/2 miles engine light came back on with this code.I have done everything i know to do. any ideas? can synthetic oil cause the vct to not work properly?it is the same grade 5w20. i need some ideas... or a for sale sign...
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one more thing my battery light is on. battery good.alt charging but havent had it checked(might be something internal??). when i searched for issues like mine i found another svtf owner had simlar issues(p1383&bat light) turned out was a bad wire from alt. i am checking on that. no idea why would matter?


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Old 04-11-2011, 07:17 PM   #2
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P1383 code. "over retarded exhuast cam timing". ?
Let me ask what car you have because the Focus only has the sensor on the Intake cam and not the Exh

If you have this code on a ZX3 that is very rare and would be the Intake cam and I would do adjustable cam gears and a little time on the dyno if the wiring and the sensor are working good

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Old 04-12-2011, 04:21 AM   #3
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hi, sorry for the misleading description the word exhaust shouldnt have been in there. i edited it.MY car is a 2002 svt focus.
P1383 - Variable Cam Timing Over-retarded (Bank 1) is what i am getting. i am starting to think maybe it is a electrical issue. does anyone know what kind of voltage is sent to the vct soleniod? i would like to check and make sure it is being energized.does anyone know how to test it? my vct soleniod is brand new and had same issue with old one so i am thinking maybe i have a issue with power to it. the last time i checked this code on my scanner it received the error at aprox 2100 rpms. does anyone know if this is when it should be getting energized or does it work backwards? energized first and shut off? i dont know exactly how this works .thanks
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Old 04-12-2011, 06:57 AM   #4
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There is a TSB on that issue....check your wiring to the solenoid and pray that you don't need to replace the cam.


03-06-07 DRIVEABILITY - MALFUNCTION INDICATOR LAMP (MIL) ILLUMINATED - DIAGNOSTIC TROUBLES CODES (DTCS) P1381/P0011 AND/OR P1383/P0012 - ROUGH IDLE, REDUCED POWER CONDITION, AND/OR STALL AT IDLE - FOCUS SVT MODEL ONLY. ISSUE: Some SVT Focus vehicles may exhibit the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) illuminated with Diagnostic Troubles codes (DTCs) P1381/P0011 Variable Cam Timing over-advanced (Bank 1) and/or P1383/P0012 Variable Cam Timing over-retarded (Bank 1) stored in memory. The vehicle may also exhibit a rough idle, reduced power condition, and/or stall at idle. This may be caused by: Variable Camshaft Timing (VCT) control system stuck Intake camshaft CMP trigger wheel mispositioned or loose Engine Cam timing incorrect Electrical conditions ACTION: Refer to the following Service Procedure to verify the Cam Timing, Intake Camshaft CMP Trigger wheel position, and VCT solenoid operation, then service as necessary.
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You state you changed the timing belt , it is very very common that when the belt is changed on the SVT that you get this code , I would have who ever installed the belt to do it again as it sounds to me they didnt have the VCT (intake cam gear) positioned correctly when the belt was installed

The Intake cam gear rotates on the cam , the cam gear needs to be in its correct position as well as the cam or you will get the code you have

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hi, i changed the timing belt. i have took it apart and redid it so many times now i have lost count! i even changed out the intake cam and gear and still have this. i understand the variable gear is spring loaded and returns to start when no oil pressure is there so i am not sure how it could be positioned incorrectly. i did it by the book. loosening both gears when installing belt and lining them up with tool before tightening them. how would you position correctly? everytime i take it back apart i check the timing before and it is dead on. the timing tool(plate) fits in the end of the cams and crank is resting against pin.so i still dont know what i could be doing wrong? what you think? thanks for your help.
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I've been getting a p1381 code (cam advanced), but no battery light. When mine starts running poorly, I clear the code and it runs properly for a while. ???

There's just no way that I can fathom that clearing a code would correct any mechanical troubles. It wouldn't fix incorrect timing; it wouldn't clear out a blocked oil passage; it wouldn't seal a leaky o-ring. It seems logical to me that it's an issue with the wiring, a sensor, or the ECU.

So, if you feel the mechanical side is properly sorted, see what you can find on the electrical/electronic side.

If I ever figure out what's going on with mine, I'll post it to the forum.

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The VCT Intake gear has to be set in its proper position when you install the belt , if you dont you WILL get the the over/underadvanced codes

When you set the cams you MUST set the VCT cam gear properly

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You tell him he must position it correctly yet he asked how and you provide no answer.
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Just did my timing belt today and got the same code.... Where exactly is that the intake cam gear has to be? is it the same as the zx2 that the bigger hole has to be at 12'o clock? Any help.is greatly appreciated.

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