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Old 02-04-2011, 02:17 PM   #11
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Man, I remember the good old days of 1-test and 4AD. The strength gains were amazing and not a lot of sides. You could use it as a transdermal and avoid all that methyl stuff that's harsh to the liver. After they banned 1-test, I moved to M1T, but I didn't like the all-the-time lethergy I felt on that stuff.

I've been out of lifting for a while, but getting back into it and I can't seem to keep up with the stuff they have out now. All these different formulas to try and stay ahead of the Feds and it just seems to increase the sides. You are pretty much better off finding a source to get the old tried and true gear nowadays. PHs still has its place for those who don't want to go through the hassle of that.

I don't consider it cheating because it's not like you can just take the stuff and sit on the couch and blow up. You still have to get in the gym, eat clean and lift hard. Otherwise, you're wasting your money and that's what I lot of kids who are using PHs don't understand.
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That's a good looking stack. A few years back I ran a 6 week cycle w/P-tren and Mdrol..crazy stack in my opinion but results were nuts. 6weeks was maybe even a little overkill too. I'm also looking into d-zine/jack3d/cycle assist stack soon.
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what would be the difference between d-zine and h-drol?
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D-zine is a superdrol clone which is pretty crazy stuff whereas h-drol was a very very MILD ph.
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D-zine is a superdrol clone which is pretty crazy stuff whereas h-drol was a very very MILD ph.
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D-zine is "kind of" a superdrol clone, but, not really... The structure is different, and it is vastly less toxic to your liver. Take a look at http://tunedsports.com/?s=d-zine for more information on d-zine.

2,17-dimethyl-5-androstan-17-ol-3,3′-azine = d-zine
2a, 17a Dimethyl Etiocholan 3-One, 17b-O = superdrol
4-Chloro-17a-Methyl-Androst-1,4-Diene-3-17b-Diol = h-drol

And to take a look at superdrol, http://tunedsports.com/designer-ster...rmative-bible/

The difference, as per the above docs:

Superdrol vs Dymethazine

Dymethazine is nearly identical to Superdrol, except it’s two (as opposed to one) superdrol molecules attached to each other, now based on this you may be thinking that Dzine is twice as powerful as Superdrol, this is not the case. Your bodies stomach acid separates these two molecules prior to absorption, so it becomes a single molecule just with two potential pathways, despite this difference Superdrol remains the more powerful compound.

The one advantage that Dymethazine has over Superdrol is the less likelihood of side effects or in the event of side effects being present they’re typically more manageable with dZine/dymethazine. Don’t take this as it being side-effect free, Dymethazine is an incredibly potent compound and carries the same risks as any other powerful anabolic steroid or pro-hormone.


And some good info on h-drol, also as per the docs @ http://tunedsports.com/designer-ster...rmative-bible/

H-Drol is one of the most popular & proven compounds on the market and is considered a good beginners cycle due to it’s reputation for minimal side effects and dry gains that are relatively easy to maintain after the cycle is completed. H-Drol is known for having a very long half life which makes the dosing protocol simple for those on a busy schedule, the half life of H-Drol can vary based on the user however it’s typically reported of having a half life in the realm of 12 hours.
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Old 02-07-2011, 11:11 AM   #15
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Updated my "theoretical" cycle that I'd run back on page 1 ;D
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Updated my "theoretical" cycle that I'd run back on page 1 ;D
Dude you know a lot about this. Thank you for all the links ect.
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Dude you know a lot about this. Thank you for all the links ect.
No problem man... I've just been studying up/researching/etc in preparation to run my own cycle :D My only ph cycle I've ran before with a Bold cycle (super mild/weak)... Now that I am about to start my second ph, and a more powerful one, I've been researching ten fold!

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I am keeping a log of my ph cycle over at http://www.prohormoneforum.com
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The reason alot of the "older" prohormones worked so well and were banned is because they actually contained the real deal...

Most the stuff you get now make all these claims and actually do very little for WAY to much money.

Alot of the stuff you pay 50-60 bucks a bottle has less than $5 worth of active ingredients in them.

Most of the time when someone tells you they gained 20 POUNDS in just a few weeks from taking "X" brand of stuff usually isnt telling the whole story... they neglect to tell about the changes in their routines, the different way they eat, the support supplements they started taking, amount of protein they take in ect.

Unless your conscious wont let you or you are being tested stop throwing money away on "pro" this and "new improved" that and just do a good cycle of real gear and have money left over.

I did the creatine, prohormones, and kinds of other stuff when I first started lifting and I can definitly tell you from experience you will get and keep more gains from a 8 week cycle of real stuff than you will from a years use of the other garbage out there.

I am not promoting steroid use... just stating fact.
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Ohh yeah, the real gear... pinning and such... is def the way to go if you are down for that and safer (less liver toxic, etc)... But... ph's, if you perform a proper cycle w/diet/lifts/etc, can help you make impressive gains, but... if mistreated, not used properly, and you don't have proper cycle support and post cycle support, you could suffer extreme side effects and lose all of your gains.

A good site for ph info, and if you like to follow peoples ph cycle logs, check out http://www.prohormoneforum.com/cycle-logs-reviews/
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