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Old 09-08-2004, 05:51 PM   #1
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turbo question

i came across a site earlier www.innovativeturbo.com .. i dont know a lot about turbo / super chargers (by the way , what is the difference between the two) but this particular one -- http://innovativeturbo.com/cgi-bin/h...31143412635969 "the street heat 40" ' is suitable for engines from 1.6L up to 2.2L, it has the airflow to supply more than 350HP' and its only 800 bucks . how accurate can that be for bolting on one simple part? or am i totally missing something here?


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Old 09-08-2004, 06:05 PM   #2
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from what I gather a supercharge is better for low rpm HP while the turbo is better at higher rpm's (spool up time).

As for a $800 dollar supercharger/turbo sounds fishy. $2,000 + dollars (new) sounds more like it
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It may be just for the turbo itself. It may not come with any of the plumbing or necessary hardware.
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Basically turbo is run off of exaust gas, so at the lower RPMs you get "turbo lag" while the boost pressure builds up. The benifits to it is that turbos are stictly adding power. It doesn't take power away from the engine to run it.

Superchargers are belt driven, so there is instant power. The downside is, you loose some HP. You loose a % of your original engine HP because it has to run the belt to drive the Supercharger, but the supercharger adds more than it takes so you come out on top.

That is the differences as far as I am aware. But I have no idea how much a turbo would cost. I thought most turbo KITS were like 2gs, and the turbos weren't too bad 800-1000 but then again I could be wrong
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what plumbing/hardware do you have to have to add a turbo? yeah i noticed that all of the superchargers are like at least 2000 , but these turbos arent that bad price wise, if you can really get a lot out of them..
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HAHAHA, O wow. Well umm you need piping to go from the turbo to the intercooler if running one, Piping to intake, downpipe, and will need some sort of FMU or Fuel managment. Basically You need to read the Forced Induction sticky and threads. I would NOT Even mess with a turbo for a focus unless you have the money to do it the right way which is going with Toms Kit. (www.focus-power.com) You will see it is expensive but it is well worth it. Sure Go ahead and slap a turbo on and run like 20 lbs. of boost and see what happens. Lol, wont have a car left. Anyways What im saying is I think u need to read up more on what your getting yourself into. Just my 0.02
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well yeah , i wouldnt just put it on without knowing, thats why i asked... thanks for answering my question though
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and capable of producing in excess of 250whp on a stock engine
christ.. at what cost tho.... and how reliable...

before i get the shit flamed out of me by know-it-alls.. IMO:

i could see somewhere around 200@wheels for a daily driver.... mabye 250+ on a built motor..

dudley's got it goin on.. 'know what ur gettin urself into!!!!'

this one's for everyone... if u end up wantin to make ur own setup... the sky's the limit in the way of choice of turbos.. ic's.. etc..

http://www.jgstools.com/turbo/index2.html
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The benifits to it is that turbos are stictly adding power. It doesn't take power away from the engine to run it.
That's not entirely true. Parasitic loses from a turbo are lower, but they are still substantial as exhaust backpressure does rise significantly with the added resistance of a turbo. Nothing is ever free. The added benefit of a turbo is that you can keep the UDP on the engine that most people make their first mod. You can't do that with a supercharger kit, at least not without spending a lot of time getting a unique blet and/or pulleys.

I would suggest going to the following website to learn more about forced induction basics: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question122.htm.

And finally, peruse the Forced Induction board on this website. Lots of knowledgable people there to help.

My suggestion would be to not go cheap. FI presents a lot of new challenges, and can be very hazardous to the health of your engine if not done properly. Most superchargers will cost you $2500 to $3000 for the kit. A good turbo kit, which will give you ther performance listed in the original post, will set you back nearly $6000. This includes the turbo, plumbing, intercooler, injectors, oil lines, and tuning. Do it right, and you will appreciate the end product a lot better. And keep in mind the RS in Europe, a sweet car to drive, "only" has 220 peak hp.
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trust me a good handling focus w/ ~200whp turbocharged is plenty ;)
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