High Performance 2012 Ford Focus ST

[Tbones00SE]

Originally Posted by kenzx3

News Flash, not really, we aren't getting the RS. Mark Kauffman said it right at Focus Rising. No RS, call it blasphemy but the truth sucks sometimes.

And MSRP should be $30K when it comes out. Look at the MSRP for the Fiestas for proof on why this one will be so much. The base model Foci will be 24K-26K MSRP. Also remember that's MSRP, I bet when they come out I can walk out of a dealer at $25K if the MSRP is $30K.

Yeah, thats news flash for right now. It's funny how things can change with time and if the ST sells well you might find that people's minds begin to change on the RS as well. Whether it happens or not, it gives Ford the option.

[WUGcatsvt]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Awd is not the end all be all for performance cars. if the driver still drives like shit it cant save him at all. plus they have a tendency to fall on their face after 120 unless they are pushing 400+ hp. you ahve to remember the weight and parasitic losses from an awd system. plus most have understeer at higher speeds, just like a fwd.

that said i want that car. end of story.

Yeah thats kinda a weak explanation of AWD though. FWD comes no where close to competing with AWD unless you have 220- hp. The new AWD systems on the STIs and EVOs are able to change where the power goes to preventing understeer. There are few times you run over 120 on a track anyway unless you have something that has over 400hp. FWD Is a HUGE disadvantage over anything but single wheel drive. If your a crappy driver your better off with AWD then FWD. Your going to end up burning up your tires trying to the wheel and ending up with MASSIVE understeer like most novice do on the autox course.

[Peregrine]

@ TBones ^ True.... but people here tend to forget that the Focus is getting a tad bit larger that basically bumps it up in class somewhat. 30k for a car this well refined is well worth it IMHO. If you don't like it, there's always a KIA dealer down the road. Just sayin'.

[Z_interactive]

Current Euro ST 2.5 L 225 hp in Croatia costs 29500 euros.

VW Golf GTI 2.0 L 210 hp in Croatia costs 29200 euros
VW Golf GTI 2.0 L 210 hp in USA costs 24000 US dollars

Mazda 3 MPS 2.3 L 260 hp in Croatia costs 338000 euros
Mazda 3 MPS 2.3 L 260 hp in USA costs 24000 US dollars

So I think new Focus ST will cost in Croatia around 32000 euros
and in USA around 27000 US dollars!

[WUGcatsvt]

^i like that comparison.

[Tbones00SE]

Originally Posted by Z_interactive

Current Euro ST 2.5 L 225 hp in Croatia costs 29500 euros.

VW Golf GTI 2.0 L 210 hp in Croatia costs 29200 euros
VW Golf GTI 2.0 L 210 hp in USA costs 24000 US dollars

Mazda 3 MPS 2.3 L 260 hp in Croatia costs 338000 euros
Mazda 3 MPS 2.3 L 260 hp in USA costs 24000 US dollars

So I think new Focus ST will cost in Croatia around 32000 euros
and in USA around 27000 US dollars!

Thank you. There is no way Ford is going to price this thing at the same price point as a Mustang GT.

[Coupe2.0]

Originally Posted by Peregrine

Dammit, you can't use my comparo-list before I do!

Coupe, you want AWD? Get a truck.....lol Ford finally decides to release a pocket rocket and yet the crowd still .... Here's a mass bitch slap for all you whiny panty waists.

I was thinking about a truck for my next vehicle and mod the focus more. I'm actually happy about Ford actually making a turbo 4cyl focus. But, test drive will be mandatory for me.

[Peregrine]

Yeah I was dead set on getting rid of the SVT for a new Explorer next year, but since this news release, my plans have been thwarted for now.....

[kylesvt720]

Originally Posted by WUGcatsvt

Yeah thats kinda a weak explanation of AWD though. FWD comes no where close to competing with AWD unless you have 220- hp. The new AWD systems on the STIs and EVOs are able to change where the power goes to preventing understeer. There are few times you run over 120 on a track anyway unless you have something that has over 400hp. FWD Is a HUGE disadvantage over anything but single wheel drive. If your a crappy driver your better off with AWD then FWD. Your going to end up burning up your tires trying to the wheel and ending up with MASSIVE understeer like most novice do on the autox course.

This is on a track, but in the real world, a FWD car does a lot better than most people think. Anyone remember the RS vs GTR test?

With my SVT last year at the Lake Superior Rally, I paced S4s, STis, Evos, and no one could leave me on the tricky roads of the Keweenaw Peninsula in Michigan, and I was running a basically stock motor.

[fhh02a]

anyone noticed...(i might have missed it) that the wheels and calipers are the same color as the body...

tint the tails and lower it---it would be great