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Old 03-02-2011, 09:34 AM   #641
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I'd be very surprised if they went with a mechanical differential. Many car companies are switching to electronic differential systems for a reason. It would be a step backwards to switch back to mechanical because it would add weight, cost, and reduce fuel economy. As much as I'd like to see one too, I just don't think it's going to happen if they plan to keep it competitively priced.

The 2012 Focus's torque vectoring system is different from other manufacturers' electronical differential systems in that it doesn't involve any engine braking. So with the Focus you can keep the engine nicely revved during hard cornering. I think the ST might improve upon that in some way, in addition to modifications in the suspension (not necessarily revoknuckle). That's all they're saying. It's vague enough that it would be pointless to draw any conclusions from his statements.
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Old 03-02-2011, 05:00 PM   #642
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Ok,
So I was reading some of those links and links in the links and read that the new base Focus motor is a 2.0L putting out 160hp. Isn't that 10 shy of the SVTf and the same as what the 2.3L (05 ST) was putting out?

I'm asking myself why did it take from the mid '80s to 2000 to increase base motors from about 90-100hp to about 130 but yet it takes less than 10 years to jump another 30hp.....

And with that even the Base Focus doesn't seem to shabby on its own.
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Old 03-02-2011, 08:53 PM   #643
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05 ST is putting out 151hp, but more importantly, 154ft/lbs of torque. That's where the fun is for a DD!
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Old 03-03-2011, 09:23 AM   #644
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My buddy thinks his SVT is like the fastest car on the planet. lol He always puts my ST down saying its weak in comparison, I'm like, dude its the same car essentially. My car is a 2.3 with about 158-160 HP (with CAI) and about 160 TQ (with CAI) and his stock SVT is a 2.0 with high compression giving him 171 HP and about 146 TQ. What he doesnt get is that my car makes up in TQ what it lacks in HP. And the key thing here is that HP sells cars, and TQ wins races. My car is literally the same as his, we would be neck in neck if we were to ever race.
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My buddy thinks his SVT is like the fastest car on the planet. lol He always puts my ST down saying its weak in comparison, I'm like, dude its the same car essentially. My car is a 2.3 with about 158-160 HP (with CAI) and about 160 TQ (with CAI) and his stock SVT is a 2.0 with high compression giving him 171 HP and about 146 TQ. What he doesnt get is that my car makes up in TQ what it lacks in HP. And the key thing here is that HP sells cars, and TQ wins races. My car is literally the same as his, we would be neck in neck if we were to ever race.
Thats one reason why I like the 23 motor, is the torque, even thou they are 2 different style of motors. I love to have another 50lbs of torque. And that takes boost or nox. I love the SVT's.
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My buddy thinks his SVT is like the fastest car on the planet. lol He always puts my ST down saying its weak in comparison, I'm like, dude its the same car essentially. My car is a 2.3 with about 158-160 HP (with CAI) and about 160 TQ (with CAI) and his stock SVT is a 2.0 with high compression giving him 171 HP and about 146 TQ. What he doesnt get is that my car makes up in TQ what it lacks in HP. And the key thing here is that HP sells cars, and TQ wins races. My car is literally the same as his, we would be neck in neck if we were to ever race.
Throw a header, exhaust and a tune on there, and then walk away quickly on him. Add in some cams and literally run away.

Anyway, can't wait to see some technical specs released on the ST, so we can stop wondering on things like suspension and drive train.
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^^^He'll still think his car is faster though...its a pride issue lol and yes, I will need to see more specs before pulling the trigger and committing to buying the new ST.
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^^^He'll still think his car is faster though...its a pride issue lol and yes, I will need to see more specs before pulling the trigger and committing to buying the new ST.


Posted via FF Mobile Throw some svt springs on and then youll have the same suspension as well. You already have the dampers. Better yet, go to FocusFest with him and compete in the SVT vs ST races...see who wins.
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Ill be in basic training :( But guess what? He JUST called me and told me he just impulsively bought an 09' Cobalt SS turbo. O gawd! something else for him to boast about lol I would have to go turbo to compete with that! BTW Hes selling his SVT if anyone in the Cincy area is interested lol
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Ill be in basic training :( But guess what? He JUST called me and told me he just impulsively bought an 09' Cobalt SS turbo. O gawd! something else for him to boast about lol I would have to go turbo to compete with that! BTW Hes selling his SVT if anyone in the Cincy area is interested lol
You'll have to run a pretty serious setup to keep up in a straight line with the SS...people rag on them, but nobody could touch them stock for stock except the MS3.

Have fun trying to catch him anywhere, unless he's a total moron (which sounds like it might be the case).
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