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Old 03-03-2012, 11:09 PM   #1101
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yes if you want a performance car buy a stick thats how it has always been people who dont know the cars will look into the window at one in walmart and say thats not a performance car its got a automatic how do i know because its what i do, go try to find a ford gt or any true performance car (thats not a hardcore drag car) and it will be a stick not a automatic. It comes from people like me who acually truely enjoy driving a car will want a stick
I think this mentality harkens back to the day of the 3 speed hydromatic. I am glad we live in the day of the computer automated, servo actuated, dual clutch 6 speed manual transmission. I personally like to embrace new technology.
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Old 03-03-2012, 11:31 PM   #1102
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yes if you want a performance car buy a stick thats how it has always been people who dont know the cars will look into the window at one in walmart and say thats not a performance car its got a automatic how do i know because its what i do, go try to find a ford gt or any true performance car (thats not a hardcore drag car) and it will be a stick not a automatic. It comes from people like me who acually truely enjoy driving a car will want a stick
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Old 03-04-2012, 01:22 AM   #1103
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i will lose all respect for this car if they put a automatic do you see evo's and sti's with automatics in them? NO you don't if you can't or won't drive a stick go get a toyota camry or something
Evo or STI? The ST does not compete with those cars (from a marketing or performance point of view). They are not even close.

The VW GTI (the car that Ford is primarily targeting with the ST) is available with an automatic.

The ST is not some badass performance car (a Camry V6 has more HP and faster 0-60). It is a well balanced road car that was born and bred in Europe.

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Old 03-04-2012, 01:25 AM   #1104
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yes if you want a performance car buy a stick thats how it has always been people who dont know the cars will look into the window at one in walmart and say thats not a performance car its got a automatic how do i know because its what i do, go try to find a ford gt or any true performance car (thats not a hardcore drag car) and it will be a stick not a automatic.
You are joking, right?

You don't consider the Nissan GT-R (which has an automatic transmission) to be a performance car?
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Old 03-04-2012, 02:12 AM   #1105
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You are joking, right?

You don't consider the Nissan GT-R (which has an automatic transmission) to be a performance car?
Yes by all since of the word it is but if you read into it they are having a done of issues with the trannys and have bought some gtrs back because of it. I put it in that class because what other ford takes up that spot?
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Old 03-04-2012, 02:14 AM   #1106
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I think this mentality harkens back to the day of the 3 speed hydromatic. I am glad we live in the day of the computer automated, servo actuated, dual clutch 6 speed manual transmission. I personally like to embrace new technology.
Good for you the automatic is not a real automatic
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:28 AM   #1107
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>>>I personally like to embrace new technology.

I agree.

The "go to" Porsche transmission is the PDK. The manual, even in the best skilled hands, is no match for it.
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blackonblacksvt03 knows more about transmissions than you because he works on Fords all day.




Back on topic...
We need a poll to convince Ford to release the ST in orange >:3
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Old 03-04-2012, 07:27 PM   #1109
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Not just orange, THIS orange:

Ford color code U3


Jussayin'

Also, since when did 'ford mechanic' become equivalent to 'ford design engineer'?

Also also, I'd like to feel what a dual-clutch automatic can *really* do. All in all, the road feel of the 6-sp auto in the 2012 focus is horrible and listless.
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im no engineer but i have drove my own share of the new focus automatics and they are horrable thats all im saying. What it "can" do you will never see because they will limit it like they do everything else, thats where people like tom come in to tweek the tunes.

and why do i even care im not buying one because they are all 4 doors i will wait to see how the fiesta st turns out maybe they will make it a 3 door
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