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Old 04-18-2010, 01:23 PM   #1
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Getrag Fluid -Warning to synchromax users

Many different theories of the correct Getrag fluid for our SVT. The comment that the trans is the same as the mini cooper is partially correct. The mini uses 2 different manuals and an auto. The cooper-S uses our SVT (285) trans. I believe there is much mis-information about using similar fluids to the mini cooper as the base cooper uses a 252 Getrag.
WD40 has linked a page from his SVT manual that indicates ATF fluid. My 2003 manual makes no mention of that, and I suspect it is not correct.

When comparing the fluid specs, it is apparent that the synchromax type fluids are not the correct spec for this trans. I listed in order below my choices based on similarities with the Ford spec fluid. For the boosted SVT's the second choice of Amsoil Severe Gear is probably pretty safe. For the NA vehicles, looking at saving friction to get the most FE and power leads to the Amsoil Synth Man trans lube. I keep picking the Amsoil based on their website info and the lack of competitors similar comparison data. You can decide for youself, but look at the specs first. The Kinematic viscosity at 40C and 100C show the thickness of the fluids at those temps, lower is better for friction reduction, but unsure of protection. The 4-ball wear is a standard test, with lower is better numbers, some motor oils have .32 ratings. The falex test involved load carrying capacity where higher is better and 2500 appears to be the top area.

The Ford perscribed WSD-M2C200-C (75W90 Gear oil) fluid has specs as follows (from the Ford pubilcation):
Kinematic Viscosity Visc
Fluid cSt 100 cSt 40 Idx 4-ball wear Falex
WSD-MC2 15.4 76 211 ? ?

Amsoil
Synt Man Tr 14.7 84.5 151 .45 ?

Amsoil
Severe gear 16.7 109.1 165 2500

Amsoil
Long Life Gr 16.6 129.7 137 2000

Royal Purp
Max Gear 19.1 132

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Amsoil
Synchromesh 9.6 47.1 194 .40

Royal Purp
Synchromax 7.7 35.3 196


As you can see the synchroxxx fluids are substantially thinner than the Ford spec fluid. You may want to seriously reconsider using the synchroxxx fluids in this trans.
Does anyone have specs on other fluids that may be lower in viscosity and within spec for this trans? Always looking to reduce friction and increase HP.


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Old 04-18-2010, 01:29 PM   #2
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How do you get spaces right in this space?

----------------Kinematic Viscosity---------Visc
Fluid -----------cSt 100-------cSt 40-------Idx-----------4-ball wear-------Falex
WSD-MC2--------15.4-----------76 ---------211--------------?-------------?

Amsoil
Synt Man Tr------14.7-----------84.5---------151-----------.45------------ ?

Amsoil
Severe gear------16.7-----------109.1--------165------------?----------- 2500

Amsoil
Long Life Gr------16.6------------129.7--------137------------?----------- 2000

Royal Purp
Max Gear---------19.1------------132-----------?-------------?-------------?

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Amsoil
Synchromesh -----9.6 -------------47.1 --------194 ----------.40-----------?

Royal Purp
Synchromax -------7.7 ------------35.3 --------196------------?------------?


The Royal purple site also call for 10w40 for the SVT fluid, but I could not find the specs on that.
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Those name brands of oils are a waste of money in my opinion , I have found no longer life or less ware from those brands

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That depends on many thing , where you live , NA or FI , DD or track

My SVT that I use for 300+HP DD/Track I use Syn engine oil

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The Amsoil is half the price of the Ford WSD-M2C200-C, so I was figuring on save a few bucks and getting .001 HP ;).

At this point with the service grading, pretty much any oil (as long as it is the correct grade for your car) should be pretty reliable.

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In some of the tuner mags, they are constantly quoting ~5hp from wizz-bang synthetic over mineral based oil. Have you ever looked at any HP gain on the dyno using one oil vs another?
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I run Royal Purple 10W-40 in mine...& change it around 30,000 miles..I now have 103,000 & no problems.
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I've been using RP for a while. I'm probably just gonna use something a bit cheaper next, I don't think it makes enough of a difference for the extra cash
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The Amsoil is half the price of the Ford WSD-M2C200-C, so I was figuring on save a few bucks and getting .001 HP ;).

At this point with the service grading, pretty much any oil (as long as it is the correct grade for your car) should be pretty reliable.

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In some of the tuner mags, they are constantly quoting ~5hp from wizz-bang synthetic over mineral based oil. Have you ever looked at any HP gain on the dyno using one oil vs another?
I 100% like the synthetic oils and feel there can be gains from using them , Just so there is no confusion about this I do not mean oils like rp , amsoil etc , I mean std on the shelf syn oils

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