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Old 03-14-2010, 09:40 PM   #1
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So tired of these Toyota UA claims!!!

Just saw one on the news of a Cleveland woman in a Lexus that claimed her Lexus unintendedly accelerated in a parking lot and crashed into a light pole. To me this is turning into a huge scapegoat for terrible drivers or simple driver errors. I guarantee claims of UA aren't going to stop anytime soon. My question is, why didn't Prius' do this before now? They've been out for years and suddenly this is an issue? I'm sorry but I call BS on 90% of these claims. How much you want to guess these "sudden acceleration" cases are probably caused by some heavy footed driver mashing the gas rather than the brake. This has been happening for years and no one blamed the car.

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I agree. Its all ridiculous. Besides, what do you do when your throttle gets stuck??? You throw it in neutral and shut off the motor. GAME OVER! Geez. Some people are so incompetent!
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You know whats really damn funny, it can occur in all cars that have drive by wire. You don't see any other makes with drive by wire showing the same problems. Honestly I think the problem was hardware like originally thought, and people are using Toyota as a scape goat for their stupidity. So I have to 100% agree on all accounts of whats going on, I'm tired of it, its put a dent in Toyota's image and more than likely a permanent dent. I think Toyota should file lawsuits against those found to be fraudulent in their claims.
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Toyota is just as big or bigger LIARS. Their getting what they deserve.
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Maybe they were happening, it just wasn't publicly put on the news because it was just another claim but now that they've recalled for that very reason they show that it's still happening and stuff

It's like when a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound? Sure but noone says anything about it until they are there personally hearing the sounds
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You know whats really damn funny, it can occur in all cars that have drive by wire. You don't see any other makes with drive by wire showing the same problems. Honestly I think the problem was hardware like originally thought, and people are using Toyota as a scape goat for their stupidity. So I have to 100% agree on all accounts of whats going on, I'm tired of it, its put a dent in Toyota's image and more than likely a permanent dent. I think Toyota should file lawsuits against those found to be fraudulent in their claims.
There are always going to be bad drivers, just something else to blame their poor driving skills on. But isn't that what the black box is for? Now if only more people were able to read them. Read something on the wall street journal's site where there is only like one laptop in the US that can read them. Where as with most domestic cars, anyone can buy the software/hardware to read them. Apparently, they only reveal the contents under court order. I.E. if the driver attempted to break or speed before crash ect.

Are most modern cars drive by wire? Or is it something limited to only certain newer cars?
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yeah the dude driving his prius had enough time and control of his car to call 911 and what not but he didnt have enough sense to throw his car into neutral? And if all else fails turn off your damn car, the steering wheel doesnt lock unless you pull your key, and you dont have to have power steering to turn a car...i just think its funny that toyota's getting all this shit, most of it is derived from them being a foreign car company. do you honestly think that ford, GM, or chrysler have never had this issue before? Not saying that Toyota's not at fault at all, but come on it is getting ridiculous
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any way you take it, you have to figure that Government Motors is thinking, "Hey, these guys are just as screwed up and we are"

its a scape goat for bad drivers
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You know whats really damn funny, it can occur in all cars that have drive by wire. You don't see any other makes with drive by wire showing the same problems. Honestly I think the problem was hardware like originally thought, and people are using Toyota as a scape goat for their stupidity. So I have to 100% agree on all accounts of whats going on, I'm tired of it, its put a dent in Toyota's image and more than likely a permanent dent. I think Toyota should file lawsuits against those found to be fraudulent in their claims.


1. Is Toyota using the same parts/programming that other DBW vehicles are?
(no, there are certain proprietary rights that each company has, though there are standards by which they conform)

2. Have there been problems with other DBW vehicles that weren't subject to a mass recall?
(yes)
Oddly enough problems where prevalent long before media attention,
http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/7095/
http://forums.musclemustangfastfords...ing/index.html
http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1023879_toyota-denies-unintended-acceleration-issues-on-tacoma


How many threads relating to the throttle sticking or acting funny can you find on this site alone? Granted the majority are not DBW but that doesn't rule out the possibility and what if factor.


CTS doesn't program the sensors, only calibrate them. It's up to the software engineers at Toyota, VW, Mercedes, Ford, GM to program them in to the ECU. Seems that's where things went wrong. Toyota allowed for too much peddle travel and the peddle sensor went beyond the programmed range and stuck. The metal shim is supposed to prevent this from happening again.

Oddly enough if you look under the carpet in your older Focus you'll find a foam pad under the accelerator and brake peddles. I'd say this is a similar concept but intended for longevity of the throttle cable, push too hard and it stretches and eventually breaks.


Now I'd like to say all the claims are false. but obviously if there is a recall Toyota acknowledges there is an issue, which they animatedly denied prior to the media blitz (or so it seems).
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1. Is Toyota using the same parts/programming that other DBW vehicles are?
(no, there are certain proprietary rights that each company has, though there are standards by which they conform)

2. Have there been problems with other DBW vehicles that weren't subject to a mass recall?
(yes)
Oddly enough problems where prevalent long before media attention,
http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/7095/
http://forums.musclemustangfastfords...ing/index.html
http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1023879_toyota-denies-unintended-acceleration-issues-on-tacoma


How many threads relating to the throttle sticking or acting funny can you find on this site alone? Granted the majority are not DBW but that doesn't rule out the possibility and what if factor.


CTS doesn't program the sensors, only calibrate them. It's up to the software engineers at Toyota, VW, Mercedes, Ford, GM to program them in to the ECU. Seems that's where things went wrong. Toyota allowed for too much peddle travel and the peddle sensor went beyond the programmed range and stuck. The metal shim is supposed to prevent this from happening again.

Oddly enough if you look under the carpet in your older Focus you'll find a foam pad under the accelerator and brake peddles. I'd say this is a similar concept but intended for longevity of the throttle cable, push too hard and it stretches and eventually breaks.


Now I'd like to say all the claims are false. but obviously if there is a recall Toyota acknowledges there is an issue, which they animatedly denied prior to the media blitz (or so it seems).
Agreed. In this case,Toyota has known about these issues for quite some time(a DECADE at least)and they blamed operator error just about every time. You'd think that after the 3rd or 10th complaint that would be sending up some kind of red flag that says "Hello? This could be a major safety issue here"? This is a case where s rolls downhill!
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