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Old 10-28-2013, 03:53 AM   #11
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You and your mechanic friends are quite frankly dumb-sses if you do that, I could care less if they work as masters on Lexus cars. The axles plunge in and out of the inside tripod, that can easily be two inches (there's extension enough for like three inches), your differential side gear is less wide. You do NOT have to pull all the way out to destroy your trans and wreck the car. Pull even out of the side gear far enough to let the stub cock, lock on tip edges, and then not go back in and brother you're gonna be cryin'..................all it would take is one really big deep pothole to do it.

One day you and friends at Lexus are going to get one really unhappy surprise, that clip is a safety item, why they always insist it be changed and never reused if axle is out of car. Service manuals specifically point it out and I'd bet any amount of money even Lexus manuals. You are talking definite lawsuit material there, I would shut up. Don't need anyone else doing like you.

Quite frankly I think the part about Lexus guys if false, I can't believe they'd be that stupid. Ford has been teaching about the dangers of that clip for 30 years now.

The only thing holding the parts together is that the tripod when loaded up hard slides easier than the spline interference in differential does, but let some wear get in there and that could change. Screwy enough wear could actually make the splines try to come apart rather than stay locked together, I've seen it a couple times on equipment before. Apply power and splines separate rather than stay locked together. That would have you in the crying zone once again and not smart at all.

Look close at how CV shafts work and you will see the axle tries to come out of trans every time the suspension works through full swing. The inner CV joint provides for that but only with the help of the clip retaining the inner stub shaft.

Technically two clips there, one used to be to hold tripod together, they have gone to leaving that one out, but certainly not the very end small one.

If you drove everywhere at no faster than 30 mph, yeah, you could probably get away with it, but the real world does not allow for that.
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Old 10-29-2013, 06:38 AM   #12
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^ shut up? What are you a 12 year old? Mind your manners sir. I have been doing motor tranny swaps on escorts since the early 90s, focuses since they came out, and have repaired hundreds of cars over the last 20 years with ZERO failures, regardless of your supposed high intellect.
Many fwd cars I've done axles on didn't have clips, never even heard of anyone else losing an axle due to no end clip, ever.
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There are posts onsite here about people who did not put axle all the way in to catch clip that had trouble from axle coming loose when they drove the car. That's only like ONE QUARTER INCH of no engagement to later cause trouble. It depends on the car and suspension design, there is no need fpr clip if the suspension does not work the differential area enough in/out to make a problem. Meaning other cars may not need it, we are not talking about them. A blanket statement by you that essentially 'none of them need it' is a disservice to the public.

I helped someone on a Tempo website just a couple months ago when his car would not move because he did not have axle all the way in, the differential would not lock up to move the car. The axle tore up the outer part of side gear spline and tip of axle, he was later able to get axle fully in and drive car even though he needed to change the differential side gear in my view. That was on a car fully assembled and merely sitting at rest, so there's obviously room for it.

Ford has included the clips in the design for a reason, and they could have saved hundreds of thousands of dollars of clip costs by deleting them, indeed they have done so later where the design allowed for it. They would be in the best position to know whether or not they are needed.

Not rocket science, look at the plunge depth length in inner tripod and the engagement depth of side gear, you're asking for it. At the least very exaggerated wear on outside half of sidegear and axle tip. The clip locates for maximum depth at all times, when gone stub axle can move in/out just like the tripod and not made to do that longterm. And why would a mechanic even want to do that? I would not call that best mechanics procedure at all.

I stand by original post except for my getting out of line insulting people, which is wrong. I apologize.
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No sweat bro, and I completely understand your standing with your post. I did not intend to mean that all cars are the same in that manner. Upon re-reading my post, I can see how it reads that way. I basically was just pointing out that I have never seen that particular failure ever on any car, especially ours. I do agree with your post of it possibly slipping just far enough to slip from the very inner spline, though I haven't witnessed failure in that manner, doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Also, I wanted to clarify my post about not using the clip for 'easy axle swaps'. That is only valid mostly in club racing world where some guys trash axles more frequently. I had friends in scca that would snap joints fairly frequently from lots of hard acceleration on sharp turns, and they took the rings off before they installed axles so that they wouldnt stress the seal by having to slide hammer them each time. I guess my assumption is: if guys driving our cars to the absolute maximum of their ability can run them with no clips, then it should be ok for daily commuters. I take a bit more chance with my ride then I should expect others to, so I will not recommend removin the clip to others, just incase. Also, I apologize as well for the hastey reply before. I wanna be all good with all of you guys, and your info is very valid in any post I have ever read of yours, so I have no hard feelings whatsoever toward ya bro! Have a good one everyone!
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