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Old 07-30-2009, 02:32 PM   #311
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I dont have a problem with MS but I do have a problem with ignorance. I still dont understand what makes you think I am not fluent in the workings of an engine. PRP is so much more than just pushing buttons my friend.
okay when did i ever actually say that your not fluent in working with an engine. i said that if someone that doesnt know tunning and electornics well prp is a great choice. but someone looking for more with all the added features that i stated is a better choice.

is that alittle clearer now.
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megasquirt is a great system. 800hp cars have run on megasquirt without issues. and now with the ms-3 chip coming it will process data hella fast.
soon to be another 800hp car running MS.

and i never downtalked MS. i like it. just said that the stock focus comp is great. but you are right it cant do those things... but what is running your gauges?
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but for people that arent very fluent with how a engine works the prp is the choice for them. me on the other hand i like a challenge.
It does not matter what your tuning with if you do not understand the workings of an engine and what effects each thing you change has then you cannot tune the engine safe and correct.
What you said does not make a lick of sence , why would the PRP be better "for people that arent very fluent with how a engine works the prp is the choice for them" ??????

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but can it have boost controll, anti lag, launch control, flat shift, nitrous control.... no it cannot. i want those things.
Boost controle is great , Me I dont like it on the MS because you have to use the PC to change it , I like it on the fly
Anti lag ??? give me a break you not going to buy whats needed to do it properly , the MS is a toy when it comes to anti lag
Launch controle WHY ? you cant drive , it will break more parts then its worth
flat shift again why ?
Nitrous controle ? Hmm maybe this is something new all they had before was a window switch

I have used MS and tuned many with MS and you can have it , I have seen first hand all the options you listed and more on cars , good luck

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megasquirt is a great system. 800hp cars have run on megasquirt without issues. and now with the ms-3 chip coming it will process data hella fast.
I did a 700HP 2.0 with just a plane old diablo chip

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you guys are knocking a product without ever dealing with it or playing with it. its a great system with great potential. and for a car that im building from the ground up i couldnt ask for more. well maybe a motec would be nice :P
I am knocking it with a history of using the MS , what turbo turtle is doing I can see going to a stand alone , anyone with a focus or factory type engine with factory ECU just does not know what there talking about when they say MS will do more or better then the stock ECU in the hands of a good tuner

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Old 07-30-2009, 11:14 PM   #316
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okay when did i ever actually say that your not fluent in working with an engine. i said that if someone that doesnt know tunning and electornics well prp is a great choice. but someone looking for more with all the added features that i stated is a better choice.

is that alittle clearer now.
It isnt for me , thats 2 times now you said this , Tuning is tuning basicly , everything is calculated load vs RPM I dont care if its MAF , MAP the basics are the same only the software is diff

To say the PRP is easier for thos ??? Less up to date on engines/tuning is insane , I like guys like you , you pay me more to tune all the "options" then in a few weeks turn them off and go to things to make life easier , when I told them to start with they didnt need them and wouldnt like them

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What you said does not make a lick of sence , why would the PRP be better "for people that arent very fluent with how a engine works the prp is the choice for them" ??????

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This is what i was trying to say, thanks tom
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okay im going to drop the whole prp vs ms because it will be argued to death.

the real pluses are the features that ms adds.

launch control- if you seriously think that its a waste of time and only for people that cant drive your in some serious denial. leaving the line and being in boost definatly help. street tires youll just light them up, with slicks and preloading the drivetrain youll see amazing 60'

boost control i can understand you like it on the fly. me im going to have a touch 8" screen in the dash and a pc under the seat running tuner studio contantly. it will be a very nice gauge display with afr, boost, rpm, temps, and you can make your own dashboards within the software, it will make one hell of a shift light. 8" box glowing yellow when to shift.

as for the antilag, i havent looked into that throughly yet. but im pretty sure that its just a few settings within megasquirt. it uses spark and fuel to initiate anti lag.

flat shifiting, this is to just gain a little bit of time in the 1/4 mile. shifting without letting go of the throttle is nice.

and stock ecu controls my all my gauges.

stock ecu is great but it just lacks in the areas that i need. if i had the money i would have got a motec or something more advanced but for now i see absolutly nothing wrong with megasquirt and for me its been a breeze to install. tunerstudio the tunning software is really nice. i just dont see any negatives to using megasquirt with the focus.
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launch control- if you seriously think that its a waste of time and only for people that cant drive your in some serious denial. leaving the line and being in boost definatly help. street tires youll just light them up, with slicks and preloading the drivetrain youll see amazing 60'.
Denial no , been there and done that yes ! , First it will make little to no boost because boost takes load and with out the clutch out loading the engine your not going to make boost with just hitting a rev limiter , Then when you do launch at high RPM you will break axles , trans ect
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boost control i can understand you like it on the fly. me im going to have a touch 8" screen in the dash and a pc under the seat running tuner studio contantly. it will be a very nice gauge display with afr, boost, rpm, temps, and you can make your own dashboards within the software, it will make one hell of a shift light. 8" box glowing yellow when to shift..
Yes , BUT you will have to pull over and stop to make changes where a good EBC like I have 230.00 I can hit it on the steering wheel and never take my eyes off the road ,

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as for the antilag, i havent looked into that throughly yet. but im pretty sure that its just a few settings within megasquirt. it uses spark and fuel to initiate anti lag..
I understand how it works , good luck making it work just through the tune with out adding other things

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flat shifiting, this is to just gain a little bit of time in the 1/4 mile. shifting without letting go of the throttle is nice. .
I do this now with just a diablo chip

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and stock ecu controls my all my gauges.
stock ecu is great but it just lacks in the areas that i need. if i had the money i would have got a motec or something more advanced but for now i see absolutly nothing wrong with megasquirt and for me its been a breeze to install. tunerstudio the tunning software is really nice. i just dont see any negatives to using megasquirt with the focus.
With what you said above I dont see where it lacks anything , A PRP would of got you there just as well with a TON less work and headache

Negative of MS over PRP

Cannot turn off
adaptive learning (this will be an issue)
rear o2
evap
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and many many other things in the stock ECU the MS cannot turn off or change

With MS you have a TON of wiring into the ECU and MS unit and sensors that have to be changed ,wiring that has to be run , MS PC has to be built or pay extra for one already built , each sensor/option has to be bought seperate this is for sure all Negatives

I have done the MS , Motec , Pectel , Hondata , F.A.S.T , SCT , Diablo , Edelbrock and many many more on dozens of cars and I am telling you that you didnt try the PRP if you had you never would of gone to the MS or you didnt understand tuning when you tried the PRP

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thats why my good friend has a 1.8L honda with launch control and makes 10lbs at the line.

tom im done arguing what you just posted is this can do this, and this can do this. i would have to of bought 3 different units to get the functionallity of what megasquirt does for a fraction of the price.

im moving on to focal jet, i see that you on this forumn is solely for bussiness. your not here to help the community grow your just hear to leech money off the hundreads of people in the focus community.

what your doing tom is blocking creativity. and stopping the focus community from flourishing

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