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Old 06-23-2008, 03:45 AM   #1
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Red face Is the 30,000 mile maintenance really necessary????

Ok well, i have an 05 ST, and im now on 32300 miles on it. The oil change is coming up soon but i was wondering if i should just do the whole 30k mile maintenance that ford recommends or is it just a waste of money and time? Has anyone here done it and if so how did it go? Did the car respond nicely? etc.. Or is it better to take the car in stride?

Just wanted to know cuz i dont want to throw $530 just like that. I just feel that i ask so much from my car but i dont really give nothing back other than car wash, oil change tire rotation...

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Old 06-23-2008, 06:04 AM   #2
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Well.....I assume that you don't do much work on your car yourself. Those "major services" that dealers sell for the most part are rip-offs. Get a list of what they actually do during the service, then compare it to the recommended service intervals in the owners manual. You usually find they're doing stuff much sooner than recommended, and they're doing things not even in the manual.

Fuel system flush....mostly useless unless you're having problems. Throw a can of the stuff in the gas tank once a year or so, and you'll save money.

Transmission flush......can be harmful with those flush machines. Simply dump the fluid every few years, or when it starts looking dark.

Engine oil flush....same. Change your oil and filter regularly. That's it.

They also try to sell other "Flushes"....cooling system, power steering fluid, brake fluid. I drain the cooling system every 30k. I run on pure water for an hour or so.....then drain the water and refill with the proper cooling mixture. The PS fluid and brake fluid can be changed easily by sucking out the old fluid and adding new......whenever the stuff starts looking dark.

Those "flushes" are what make the major service so expensive.....and give the dealer the highest profit.

Other stuff....Battery service....clean the top of the battery, and the terminals, and add water if it shows low. Easy to do.

Alignments....I never do this on a regular basis. I'll do it if the tires wear on the edges, or I hit something hard, or the steering changes. If the car was aligned properly at the factory, you can go 100k and still might not need an alignment.....even if you get new tires.

I worked at car dealers as a mechanic all my life....so I know what they do to make money. They say they're dedicated to keeping your car running 100%. Not so. They're dedicated to making money off you....as much as they can.
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change fuel filter.
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:47 AM   #4
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No, do NOT do it! I just had a thread on this....they wanted to do the air filter, cabin filter, coolant/tranny service, fuel filter, pcv, and some other things. if you look in your maint. booklet, it says the tranny fluid and pcv are 100k items. we dont have a cabin filter. u cant change the air filter. i was also quoted 450 bucks for all this, not 570. sounds like ur being ripped off. if you dont know about what your car needs, they would just say they did these things, and you would pay for it.

i did the tranny fluid myself, and the coolant. fuel filter i would say do, if you havent yet. they dont have to be done at that point, i know, as i said above. i just did them b/c i got the car used, and didnt know how hard the car was driven, if it had been maintained, etc. so, i just gave the car all new fluids.

fuel filter i would say do, if you havent yet. i had them do that at 25k though, they packaged it in with an oil change, gave me 10 bucks off doing that since i was already there, car was in the air. try something like that.
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Well.....I assume that you don't do much work on your car yourself. Those "major services" that dealers sell for the most part are rip-offs. Get a list of what they actually do during the service, then compare it to the recommended service intervals in the owners manual. You usually find they're doing stuff much sooner than recommended, and they're doing things not even in the manual.

Fuel system flush....mostly useless unless you're having problems. Throw a can of the stuff in the gas tank once a year or so, and you'll save money.

Transmission flush......can be harmful with those flush machines. Simply dump the fluid every few years, or when it starts looking dark.

Engine oil flush....same. Change your oil and filter regularly. That's it.

They also try to sell other "Flushes"....cooling system, power steering fluid, brake fluid. I drain the cooling system every 30k. I run on pure water for an hour or so.....then drain the water and refill with the proper cooling mixture. The PS fluid and brake fluid can be changed easily by sucking out the old fluid and adding new......whenever the stuff starts looking dark.

Those "flushes" are what make the major service so expensive.....and give the dealer the highest profit.

Other stuff....Battery service....clean the top of the battery, and the terminals, and add water if it shows low. Easy to do.

Alignments....I never do this on a regular basis. I'll do it if the tires wear on the edges, or I hit something hard, or the steering changes. If the car was aligned properly at the factory, you can go 100k and still might not need an alignment.....even if you get new tires.

I worked at car dealers as a mechanic all my life....so I know what they do to make money. They say they're dedicated to keeping your car running 100%. Not so. They're dedicated to making money off you....as much as they can.
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Normal Oil changes, fuel filter @ 30k intervals, Tranny every 60k (change filter). Clean motor internally, get a can of SeaFoam Deep Creep, (spray directly into intake w/ car running, just b4 motors dies, stop, shut car down let sit 10-15 minutes and restart. Car will blow lots of black smoke, then white & go back to normal. Internals now clean.

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Talk to me about that Deep Creep stuff. Any other input on it? Sounds like something that might be either interesting and useful, or amazingly harmful to your car.
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theres quite a few threads on Sea Foam.
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sea foam is an immensely popular and powerful cleaner. i used to use that on my turboed car, at the TB. stuff got SO much crap out of the IM, it was nuts. deep creep is the spray IM cleaner version of sea foam.
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well thanks for the info guys... I assume a dirty fuel filter be the cause of hard starts? Sometimes i have to tap the gas for it to start.

i got the car used at 25k now 7k later, all i been doing is oil changes, new brakes new battery....
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trans fluid & filter, fuel filter, internal clean, new air filter, done
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