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Old 06-07-2004, 03:08 PM   #1
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High performance SVTF brake fluid, pads, and SS brake line questions...

Hello:

I received some great responses from this list on my initial questions about changes to my SVTF for tracking purposes. Thanks.

After kicking a bunch of modification options around, I think I've settled on a (roughly) 3-year plan for my SVTF. Since I'm just starting out on my personal "track day" vector with this car, I figure to limit my changes to start.

I plan to start with Motul brake fluid and a brake pad upgrade. Would it be worthwhile to go to stainless-steel jacketed brake lines?

Do you folks have any recommendaitons for pads and SS brake lines?

I've found G-Stop Brake lines and Steeda replacement pads. Anyone with experience with these? Comments and other suggestions welcome.

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ss will give you better brake repose...
regular brake lines are made of rubber and they expand with the pressure....ss doesnt spand and means better brake respose as i said before....
mcnews have lines for abou 50...

try hawk pads...
word is they are great...

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ss will give you better brake repose...
regular brake lines are made of rubber and they expand with the pressure....ss doesnt spand and means better brake respose as i said before....
mcnews have lines for abou 50...

try hawk pads...
word is they are great...

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Old 06-07-2004, 05:25 PM   #4
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Hawk doesn't make pads for the SVT. Their are only five options for brake pads for the SVT.

1. EBC (Avoid like the plague)
2. Mintex (nice daily driver pad, less dust, bad track pad)
3. OEM (great pad for street and weekend track use, dusty)
4. Porterfield (Great track pad, no word on street use. You need to send in a set of used pads for them to use the backing plates to create the pad.
5. Carbotech Engineering (they have quite a few pad options, but i've not heard any feedback about them) http://www.carbotecheng.com/newapp.htm

Those are your options. Hawk is making pads for the SVT focus, but not sure how many compouds they will release for it. Probably the HP Plus and maybe the Blues... not sure.

I have the Stainless Steel brake lines. And I love them. You get a lot better feel of when brake pedal is going soft, but it never goes to soft. It doesn't help braking or brake response, just helps pedal feel. It's alot firmer, and that's a good thing! Oh yea I'm using the G-Stop (goodrich lines). I would also look into Russel lines.

Brake Fluid... OEM Ford HD Fluid is some of the best. The only fluid I found with better boiling points is the motul RBF 600
Typical dry boling point 594 degree f ( 312 degree c)
Typical wet boiling point 421 degree f ( 216 degree c)
That's the only fluid that beats the Ford stuff... BUT keep in mind Ford OEM costs 5.00 a bottle. Motul is 15-20 per bottle :D Good luck.
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Old 06-07-2004, 05:37 PM   #5
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belacyrf: Again, thanks. If I can just get the car back from the dealer (see problem with brakes), I'll be happy.
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I knew this post would get moved! But I did get a response from the SVT performance guys! Heh. Thanks!
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Bela,

Do you have any experience with the Motul fluid? I know changing fluid on cars with a shared clutch/brake fluid system can be problematic. For example, I've used ATE blue fluid in my VW's (much like everyone else), but my brake system was separate from the clutch system. Newer VW's (MK4) have shared systems, and people have found that the ATE fluid is too caustic for the seals in the clutch system. The fluid would actually cause premature seal failure....and no one wants that on a street car for a little better heat dissipation.

I've been weary of changing fluids due to this, but have not had a chance to compare fluid specs and ratings. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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yes I've used Motul, as well as valvoline synthetic as well has Ford HD fluids. All work fine. Motul is by far the best for brake abuse.

It did not cause any problems with the clutch. I am running Motul now even. Of course I'm having issues with my clutch but that is a different thing. I've been running Motul for about 6-8 months now, and the clutch issues started a couple months ago when I had it installed.. nothing to do with the fluid.
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Good to know, maybe I'll switch over when it comes time to flush the system...and get new lines...
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