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Old 02-16-2009, 11:43 PM   #351
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No kidding!

Ford deep-sixing the hatches (and the wagon, too, for that matter) was a mistake.
In a roundabout way, the soon-to-be-here Transit Connect fills the gap left by the departed wagon. It's based on the Focus C170 platform, has the Focus four cylinder and 4-speed ATX, and although I don't believe it's been confirmed for this market yet, there is a passenger version with full seating.

In a more specific way, the Focus wagon was popular with fleets for light-duty use, and the Transit Connect will do that job even better.
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Old 02-17-2009, 01:58 AM   #352
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But, as usual, the American cost cutters had been hard at work.
Well yeah, if you will insist on only paying half the European price for a European car then they're gonna have to do some cost cutting. The new RS Focus for example is costing at least £25000 over here. Thats over $35500 dollars. If they tried selling it in the states for that noone would buy it. Hence you getting a watered down old model to cut costs.
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Old 02-17-2009, 12:14 PM   #353
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Well yeah, if you will insist on only paying half the European price for a European car then they're gonna have to do some cost cutting. The new RS Focus for example is costing at least £25000 over here. Thats over $35500 dollars. If they tried selling it in the states for that noone would buy it. Hence you getting a watered down old model to cut costs.
I agree,everyone saying why don't they bring it here in the USA ?

Because they know they won't sell !! That RS is between $35,000 and $50,000 depending on exchange rate.Last year it would have been $50,000 US Dollars
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Old 02-17-2009, 07:20 PM   #354
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This is not a matter of exchange rates. The price of the car in Europe is including VAT (isn't it?), we don't have that in the United States. So the price is inflated over what the MSRP would be here because the "tax" is built into the selling price of the vehicle. Second, obviously they wouldn't be so stupid as to build the Focus in Europe and then import it here. They would set up plants in Mexico or somewhere in North America to built it here (like they did the first time round). It would be sold comparably-priced to the other turbocharged sport compacts. This whole issue has already been discussed to death and then back again some more, since the time the first RS came out.
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They don't have to have all the bells and whistles on a vehicle. As long as they have all the parts available to upgrade the car yourself (or them for extra $$$ and to keep warranty) would be good too. What happened to the Special Vehicle Team? You could bet that if Ford came out with another set of SVT's they would sell plus make reputation. Look on the market for a SVT and see what they are re-selling for (probably because no more are being made). Also I've heard from a ford dealer in Hawaii that the hatchbacks (ZX3's & 5's) were selling like hotcakes. There was no excuse for discontinuing them. I would have bought a new 2009 focus if they had a ZX5 (at least) or even better, a ZX5 SVT but since there were none I bought a 2003 ZX5 SVT with 85,000 miles on it with a bad clutch. I'd rather have that then the bullshit there putting out now.
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Old 02-20-2009, 07:17 AM   #356
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I don't like it, but that's just me.

It's moving in the right direction (towards euro/updated svt) but it's not there yet.

Better luck next year.

Why they thought they could design a better focus than Europe is beyond me.
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Old 02-20-2009, 08:36 AM   #357
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Can people honestly say that a better focus wouldn't sell?

That's saying that if they brought over the ST like this, that it couldn't compete with the GTI? I know people would buy it. (I would!)

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^^^Mmmmm.....yummy!

I'd would rather have the Euro spoke wheels though.
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Old 02-20-2009, 01:38 PM   #359
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Can people honestly say that a better focus wouldn't sell?

That's saying that if they brought over the ST like this, that it couldn't compete with the GTI? I know people would buy it. (I would!)

It would sell, but at a slightly higher price than the current Focus. That would leave Ford out of the true entry market. Now that the Fiesta is coming to occupy that entry position, Ford is free to move the Focus upmarket slightly.

And when the Euro Focus was the same as the US version (2000-2004), Ford actually LOST a couple thousand dollars on each Focus it sold in the US. Now that the US version is old, it breaks even. If Ford followed the model of the first Focus, it would lose money again selling the Euro version for the US price.
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It would sell, but at a slightly higher price than the current Focus. That would leave Ford out of the true entry market. Now that the Fiesta is coming to occupy that entry position, Ford is free to move the Focus upmarket slightly.

And when the Euro Focus was the same as the US version (2000-2004), Ford actually LOST a couple thousand dollars on each Focus it sold in the US. Now that the US version is old, it breaks even. If Ford followed the model of the first Focus, it would lose money again selling the Euro version for the US price.
The only real "Euro" focus was the SVT, for the Gen. 1 car. Although it was the same bodystyle, the base model here is quite different than there. Ford will be much better off if it makes the same car, universally worldwide. Less R&D, less product development, etc. These are all fixed costs associated with developing each model of car. The reason they had the profitablility problems on the last Focus was that they took a just Euro. car and tried to modify it and make it a U.S. spec. car. VW use to have the same problem. By actually unifying the two sides of the Atlantic, they design one car line, not two, (instead of designing a car for one side, then making changes to make it work for the other) and there you go, profits.

I am not saying to make the ST the base model. Make the regular basic hatch, make the ST to compete with the GTI, and make the RS to compete with the R32. (Only bring like 3-5,000 RS to the U.S. for one year each generation.) If they sold this ST in the U.S. it should go for mid to upper 20's when loaded, approaching 30,000 like a GTI does.
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