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Old 11-01-2008, 12:42 AM   #341
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ford is dumb. they obviously dont listen and or care about what people would actually buy. my SVTF is the only ford i have owned and the only ford that has been in my family and with the way things are looking i think its going to stay that way for a long time... shame
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Old 01-11-2009, 07:30 PM   #342
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I love the way they did the body style and the engine and tranny combo. Is there really a hatchback version, I can't see a lot of pics on this government computer I'm on. Yeah if theres a hatchback version I'll buy one, That's what I've been waiting for.
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Yes, it's an improvement over the '08. That hideous fake chrome side vent is gone. The fog light treatment is much cleaner looking, as are the bumpers. But sorry, this car just doesn't do it for me. The best-looking Foci were still the 2000-04 models. The '05-'07s were a step backward. And the '08s just looked awful! In detail, some elements don't look bad. For example, the grill - in and of itself - looks good. But the overall car does not say "sporty" to me. It reminds me of a '80's-vintage Hyundai, and aftermarket "sporty" pieces bolted onto a Hyundai does not a sporty car make.

I was very disappointed when Ford did not bring over the superb European 2nd-generation Focus. But I could have soldiered on for a few more years with the original Focus platform, if only they hadn't taken the original - still beautiful, still modern - design and morphed it into something so graceless and just plain butt-ugly!
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Yes, it's an improvement over the '08. That hideous fake chrome side vent is gone. The fog light treatment is much cleaner looking, as are the bumpers. But sorry, this car just doesn't do it for me. The best-looking Foci were still the 2000-04 models. The '05-'07s were a step backward. And the '08s just looked awful! In detail, some elements don't look bad. For example, the grill - in and of itself - looks good. But the overall car does not say "sporty" to me. It reminds me of a '80's-vintage Hyundai, and aftermarket "sporty" pieces bolted onto a Hyundai does not a sporty car make.

I was very disappointed when Ford did not bring over the superb European 2nd-generation Focus. But I could have soldiered on for a few more years with the original Focus platform, if only they hadn't taken the original - still beautiful, still modern - design and morphed it into something so graceless and just plain butt-ugly!
that is right on the money.
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Yes, it's an improvement over the '08. That hideous fake chrome side vent is gone. The fog light treatment is much cleaner looking, as are the bumpers. But sorry, this car just doesn't do it for me. The best-looking Foci were still the 2000-04 models. The '05-'07s were a step backward. And the '08s just looked awful! In detail, some elements don't look bad. For example, the grill - in and of itself - looks good. But the overall car does not say "sporty" to me. It reminds me of a '80's-vintage Hyundai, and aftermarket "sporty" pieces bolted onto a Hyundai does not a sporty car make.

I was very disappointed when Ford did not bring over the superb European 2nd-generation Focus. But I could have soldiered on for a few more years with the original Focus platform, if only they hadn't taken the original - still beautiful, still modern - design and morphed it into something so graceless and just plain butt-ugly!
Very well said. If Ford wants to bring buyers back they need to look at focus forums and see what people are trying to hold on too. I'll keep my SVT and ZTECH ZX5's until I can't buy parts for them anymore to overhaul them.
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Old 02-16-2009, 02:43 PM   #346
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Adding to my first post on this topic:

My '06 Focus was in for some routine maintenance and instead of cooling my heals in the waiting room, I talked a salesman into giving me the keys to an '09 Focus Coupe for a test drive.

First impression? I hated the dash. It is following a "Star Trekky" styling trend I first saw in Nissan Altimas and Honda Civics. It may fly with the "Millennials" Ford focus-grouped with this car, but "sporty" it is not. What's more, I could see right away that the center stack design is hell for fitting aftermarket stereo head units. The previous dashes, especially the rather Germanic and severe '05-'07 design, were easy and good-looking fits for standard double-DIN head units. But there is no way the '08-'09 center stack will work with aftermarket gear without taking a sawzall to it. Surely, some enterprising aftermarket firms will come out with replacement center stack facias to fit aftermarket stereos, but I cannot foresee or imagine any practical design that won't look even worse than the stock dash. Is this Ford's not-so-subtle way of discouraging the fitment of aftermarket stereo gear? And what Ford calls "metallic instrument panel appliqué" looks cheesy to the eye and feels even cheesier to the touch. And I hate the chrome instrument rings and white-faced dials. Moreover, the cancerous lump on top of the dash, called the "Top-of-dash display," is merely a gimmick borrowed from the current model Honda Civic, offering NO information crucial to driving the car. The information displayed there is either superfluous and irrelevant or, like the radio dial, better displayed in the center stack where God intended it, not above it, cluttering the look of the dash and disrupting my clean view of the road. Honda - and now, apparently, Ford - may think them stylish, but these top-of-dash "pods" are poor design and worse ergonomics.

Now let's go to the steering wheel. Audio controls moved from a stalk on the column to the wheel itself is an ergonomic improvement to be sure. But strictly as a steering wheel, I'll take the old leather-wrapped wheel that came in my '06 over the new one, which feels thin and plasticky by comparison. Even the leather wrapping has an inferior feel to what is on my '06. And what happened to my tilt/telescoping wheel?? Ford took it away - half of it anyway. UNACCEPTABLE! The wheel tilt adjustment is still there, but its tilting range is much smaller. And there is no telescoping feature at all! Worse, the '09's wheel is not in the right place for me, and there is not enough adjustment range to make it so. Not any more! To me this is a DEAL BREAKER! The steering wheel is my interface with the car. If it isn't right, THE CAR ISN'T RIGHT! It's as simple as that. But the car has available ambient lighting! <Oh, be still my heart!> And Ford SYNC! <My nipples are hardening as I type!> That's right, Ford! Compromise the car on important things like basic driving position, then load it with worthless crap, gimmicks and gadgetry!

The seats were comfortable, though - at least for my 6'4", 280-lb oversized American ass. They were firm, with better side bolstering and thigh support than my own '06's seats. I was actually impressed with the seats. Still no lumbar support adjustment though. Base-level VW Rabbits have this. [More on this comparison later]

So, how did it drive? Well... pretty much like a Ford Focus. Interior noise level is notably less - not limousine-level quiet, but quieter than my '06 and commendably quiet for a compact car. My test driver was equipped with electronic stability control, but its operation was never really apparent to me; I was able to do some fairly spirited driving on a curvy two-laner, but I had to be a little restrained, with the salesman in the car with me. You understand.

What was apparent to me was how much softer the car was! WTF?? What has Ford done to my car?? This is supposed to be "sportier"? In and of itself, I am not against a softer ride. I have driven old British two-seaters like MGAs and Austin-Healey "Bug-Eye" Sprites, and savored the joys of that spleen-rupturing, live-axle-bolted-directly-to-the-frame sports car ride. But since my first time in a Porsche 911, I've known that sportiness doesn't have to mean risking internal injury. But the ride of my '06 SES, while firmer than the base S or SE models of that year, is hardly punishing. It is as good a balance between ride compliance and control as I have found in a low-priced compact sedan. SO WHY DID FORD MESS WITH IT??? The '09 still goes pretty much where it is pointed, but compared to my '06, the steering is slow and numb and roll-axis control is lacking, lowering driver confidence (this driver, anyway) in spirited, "sporty" driving.

And 143 whole horsepower? Adequate in a daily driver, certainly. But not really sporty. Especially not with the hoary old 4-speed automatic in my test driver. Ford's claims about the improved "sportiness" of this year's Focus disturb me. What improvements there are seem purely cosmetic, making Ford's marketing of this vehicle look pretty cynical in my opinion. Ford must think we are all pretty dumb. They've taken an outstandingly capable (for the price), no-nonsense, European-designed small car and turned it into an Asiatic commuter trans-pod - a secretary's car - a (despite the political incorrectness, I will say it anyway) chick's car, the kind Dear Old Dad buys to send off with his pony-tailed daughter to college.

Ford has already made "sportier" Foci. The '02 SVT Focus with 6-speed Getrag manual and 170 hp comes specifically to mind. Heck, my '06 SES with 5-speed manual has sportier driving feel and road manners than this "sportier" '09. If Ford really wanted "sportier," why didn't they re-introduce an SVT version, or at the very least, an ST version. These cars not only had sportier looks, they had sportier mechanical bits as well - extra go along with the extra show.

I know, Ford is in financial trouble - trying to save money. But by de-fanging the Focus, changing it into a pedestrian econobox, then tarting up that econobox and calling it "sporty," they are being penny-wise and dollar foolish, even further eroding their brand.

Let's get back to the VW Rabbit-Ford Focus comparison. The VW Rabbit, in base trim, costs about the same as an SE Focus. For that same money, VW offers 170 horsepower and 177 lb/ft of torque in its base 5-cylinder power plant. Ford's I-4 Duratec is a decent and well-behaved motor, but is well shy of the Rabbit both in power (a significant 34 hp deficit) and in torque ( a whopping 55 lb/ft deficit), while delivering, despite the inflated EPA numbers to the contrary, little better fuel economy. Anti-lock braking and Electronic Stability Control are standard; optional on the Focus. Heated seats are standard; available only as part of an option package from Ford. Lumbar adjustment is standard; on the Focus, fuggeddaboudit! Four-wheel disc brakes are standard; not available at any price on the Focus - just cheesy old rear drums. 6-speed manual is standard; again not available at any price on the Focus. Available 6-speed automatic for Rabbit; only an ancient and inefficient 4-speed auto is optional on the Focus. Tilt/telescoping wheel on Rabbit is standard; Ford took it away from the Focus! I could go on, but you get the idea.

The thing is, the VW Rabbit is made in Germany, not some Third World dung heap. And these days, German labor is more expensive than even American UAW labor. So Ford can't whine and blame their value-for-dollar deficit on VW's "cheap" labor. Moreover, look at the Focus that Ford sells everywhere else but in North America. It is a second-generation chassis, not the dated 1st-gen chassis underneath the '09 American Focus. These cars have better appointments and better performance than we Americans can buy. In fact, the only way we can buy this car in America is to go across the street to the Mazda dealer and buy a Mazda 3 series. The European Focus and Mazda 3 share the same chassis and most engines, and both feature better appointments and better build quality - for the same price!

Today's Ford Focus is still an OK car. And that's fine, if "OK" is all you want. But in terms of value for dollar, the only reason to buy a Focus over a VW Rabbit or Mazda 3 series is if the Ford dealer is giving it away with rebates, 0% interest, free maintenance, etc. But of course, you'd better drive your new Focus until the welds come apart, or you will take it in the shorts come trade-in time. These sales gimmicks are great for the consumer on the front end of the deal, but really kill re-sale value in the long run.

Ford - as we who watch the news know - is on the ropes. The irony is, they already build the better cars that would dig them out! They just won't let us Americans have them! The new European Fiesta is reported by all experts to be a wonderful car. So why do we Americans have to wait until 2011 to get it? Perhaps that is how long it will take for Ford's North American-based bean counters to take out a dollar here, 75 cents there, three dollars here, a hundred there... until the American version of the Fiesta has been cheapened and adulterated to a tin shit box even the Chinese could build.
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Old 02-16-2009, 03:04 PM   #347
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not a fan of the exterior, the spoilers kinda nice, but the whole rear end has a wierd shape to it that i dont like. wheels are beauties, taillights suck.
now the interior though is perfect i think. it looks amazing for a ford and i would gladly change my entire dash for that new one
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I'm waiting for the Global Platforms to come over...
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I'm waiting for the Global Platforms to come over...
Yeah... So am I. But I'm not getting my hopes up too high. I've heard this song before. Way back in 1981, Ford was ballyhooing its new "World Car," the Escort. We got the Escort - as usual - a couple of model years after Europe and the rest of the world. The American Escort, when it finally was offered for sale, superficially resembled the European/World model. I think they shared maybe FIVE parts in common - the floor stampings, rear quarter panels and roof! But, as usual, the American cost cutters had been hard at work. The American version was an inferior car in every way compared to its European/World counterpart.

The European Escort was a solid competitor to the gold standard of its day, the 1st-generation Volkswagen Golf/Jetta, outselling - and outperforming - every other car in its class except those VWs. The American version was... well... it was better than the Ford Pinto it replaced. Ford apparently thought that would be good enough for us Yanks. The car sold well in the states for a few years, but for any American who traveled at all, and got to drive a German Ford Escort for example, the American Escort stood out plainly as the piece of rolling excrement it was.

So, forgive me if I remain skeptical of Ford's "Global Platform" push. Now as then, a worldwide platform set is a fine idea. But just you wait until Ford's stateside bean-counters are let loose to work their special magic on the wonderful new Fiesta, and once again miraculously turn gold into tin! Of course, I hold high hopes for getting to buy an American Fiesta that is the equal of the European Fiesta, but based on past experience, what I rationally expect is another cheesy piece of crap like the Korean-made Festiva Ford foisted upon us some years ago.

What this tells me is that Ford has contempt for their American customers. And that makes me MAD!!
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if only that hatch version was real
No kidding!

Ford deep-sixing the hatches (and the wagon, too, for that matter) was a mistake. But replacing them with a two-door coupe? Well... technically, it's not even a real coupe. It's a two-door sedan. And in my opinion, two-door sedans are as useless as tits on a helicopter!
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