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Old 04-02-2008, 06:50 PM   #21
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. to be honest the speed3 kinda looked sloppy in the corners, almost top heavy, alotta wobble.

mac you have a nice ST, you've never had an encounter with a 3 series? (mazda of course).
thanks for the compliment...

it may have looked that the 3 was sloppy when you're in a cooper S works, but i do autox, and the events i go to the speed3's are track gods(of course so are the mini's)....

I try not to do a whole lot of street racing, maybe just a little stop light war up to 60-70, but that's it...But I have run against a 3 in the ST....I can pull on a 2.0 Mazda3, but a 2.3L Mazda 3 is usually a drivers race....
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Old 04-02-2008, 09:17 PM   #22
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The stock springs in the rear of the Speed 3 are too soft IMO, and under heavy braking from speed or those "oh crap" occasions where braking is required during a high speed corner the rear does get unsettled. Someone that has driven their Speed for some miles would be used to it and not let it get "sloppy" looking. I'm an experienced driver and know exactly where to put the car in the twisties, IMO it stays more stable and planted than my SVTF did, until you throw braking in there

Easy and cheap fix, no shortage of aftermarket springs and the available Mazdaspeed ones can be installed with stock dampers (bonus!).

Like macdaddyslomo said, the MS3 has a rep at the auto-x. I showed up for my first one and had all the local guru's asking for rides, lol.
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Old 04-02-2008, 09:33 PM   #23
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this may have been the exact problem with the one i encountered, he was going all out on the straights, and then corners came up, and i think he doubted what it could do and braked heavily. i was taking the corners pretty easy, i also had the advantage of some pretty good tires, im not sure what the speed3 comes with stock.
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Potenza RE 050A's which didn't stick nearly as well as the BFG KDW's I replaced them with. He may have had his DSC turned off too, a big time no go for a rookie driver because it works damned well when cornering.

But to stay on topic, I can only compare my SVTF against this MS3, haven't driven any of the others
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'sniff....it's getting really deep in here....i know this is a focus board, but c'mon !

the mazda 3 2.0L has about a 20 hp advantage over a 2.0 Focus, and the 2.3L has a 30hp advantage

do you really think 200lbs is going to make up for 20-30hp ??? and to even suggest a 2.0L ZX3 can keep up with a 2.3L Mazda3 is absolutely rediculous

and did I really read right that someone in a ZTS thinks they were outhandling a Mazdaspeed 3 ????? and only in a straight did the speed 3 overtake him ???

only real race would be an SVT or ST Focus(2.3L) vs a Mazda 3 2.0 or 2.3L...a stock ZX3 is going to get smeared...you were either facing an absolutely horrible driver, or the person you thought was racing, didnt even see you !!!
Eh?

Again, from Edmunds :

2008 Focus S 2.0 (Cheapest) 140hp / 136tq

2008 Mazda 3 2.0 (Cheapest) 148hp / 135tq

:) Ooo! 8 HP difference, so impressive. 20-30hp, what? More like less than 10.

As far as 2.0 vs. 2.3, two things to consider, weight and tranny. 200lbs in a 4cyl car *does* make an undeniable difference. It's track proven. You toss 200lbs (or a big passenger) into a 2.0 *OR* 2.3, and take some passes down the track, and you'll see a longer time to reach every major benchmark.

The tranny also makes a huge difference. Having a 5spd means being able to choose your launch revs perfectly (depending on the driver experience), whereas the ATX makes that pretty difficult (outside of doing various things that aren't really recommended). ATX is also heavier than MTX. Further hurting it is the relatively unaggressive shift points usually employed by economy cars like the FoFo and 3.

Track times prove this too
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well they had a mazda 3 2.3 at moroso run a 16.5 with intake and exhaust
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aw poop, i didnt even notice that Gt was grand touring, oopsies!
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Also, what GT are you talking about??? There is NO GT Mazda 3...only the S, Touring, Grand Touring, MazdaSpeed I think.

Did you mean Mustang GT?
In Canada they have the GS and GX with the 2.0L and the GT with the 2.3L for the sedans. Then comes the mazda3 sport and mazdaspeed3. Sorry for the confusion.
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you run it yet focorec??
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friend has an 07 3 "i" no speed. and he has an cai on it. but i just walk right off and leave him no problems at all. i was rather un impressed by the three's nice cars but rather slow.
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