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Old 06-06-2007, 06:47 PM   #1
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Svt Vct Cam Timing Problems Arg!!! Help Please!!!!

Well I recently had gotten back my SVTF(after 5 months of it being at the dealer) which was getting a new long block at local ford dealer up here. I put 2,700 on the new motor and it threw a code. P1381 advance cam timing, well after popping the valve cover off and putting it on TDC #1 sure enough the intake cam was in the wrong position, and the timing belt had felt awfully loose almost to the point where you could slide it off the cam gears without touching the tensioner by hand. I bought a new timing belt and followed the procedure for changing it but I noticed it takes about 1/4 turn of the crankshaft for the intake cam to turn aswell the gear just spins freely of the cam for that 1/4 turn, the exhaust cam turns as expected. Maybe a stupid question but the intake cam should turn with the cam even at the smallest amounts, correct? What about a VCT eliminator kit? Any suggestions. O and the Ford dealer I wont take it back to as they are insisting its an electrical problem, shortly after that he mentioned he could on charge me for electrical work as that is not part of the warranty. Any info of possible steps to solving my problem are much appreciated.


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Old 06-06-2007, 06:54 PM   #2
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First off I would of made them fix it under warranty BUT you have already messed with it its yours now,

The VCT gear gets loaded by oil psi so when the engine is off it will move freely causing issues when installing the Intake came gear OR make it look as if the cam gear/cam isnt installed correctl when it could be

This is why I came up with the VCT Elim (100.00) use this with 2 Adj cam gears and be done with it

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Old 06-06-2007, 07:03 PM   #3
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Thanks for your input tom it is much appreciated. I tried to make them fix however each time I said something to them the service manager mentioned we can charge you for electrical. It all comes down to being able to trust the people who work on my car. I trust myself a hell of a lot more then a dealership who lied to me for 5 months. Another question, seeing as there is no pil psi going to cam gear how can I still set the timing for that intake cam, do i need to rotate the cam gear till it begins to catch on that cam or what? The VCT eliminator kit is something i plan to get within the next few months here, as it just isnt in the budget at this time.
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Old 06-06-2007, 09:08 PM   #4
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I'm gonna do my T-belt this summer- And Tom I'm definately going to buy the VCT Delete kit... Thats like the 3rd or 4th time since I've ownd my SVTF
(6months) that I've read someone having that problem. I'm just going to knock two birds with one stone when I swap it out.
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I'm not sure if this will help or not, but here's the factory procedure for timing belt replacement/cam timing setup:
http://atomic.speculation.org/Graphi...%20Timing.html
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don't waste your time fighting the vct and throwing money at it, I have for about 6 months now and in a couple weeks am gonna just call it quits and order the kit from tom.
It's totally not worth the frustration and time to even try... believe me. much simpler to order the kit, throw on some gears and have a tuner turn off the vct and retune. costs way less i can tell you that.
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Well I took it to the dealership and they called me and said, "well we think its the PCM." They also told me prior to bringing it to them that they could charge me for electrical components, thats the first thing they said to me. Now if it was to be the PCM, couldnt I just buy a programmer and reflash it and take care of it that way? I personal think theyre giving me some BS with the whole PCM thing. Any info and help will be much appreciated. Thanks in advance to the other Focus Junkies out there.
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I know it might be a dum question but why deleting the VCT? i already replace my timing belt and never had a problem with it but asking jut in case of problems on the future thankz!
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Why would a forum, dedicated to high performance, opt out of the benifit of VCT by purchasing a "delete kit" to avoid following cam timing directions? I just looked through the directions and its simple. All you have to do is reinstall the belt with the cams locked in place, then turn the engine over twice. Once the #1 piston is back at TDC, check the cams using the timing tool. If they are off, re-set them and try again. Honestly, you could re-set the pulley's at least 20 times in an hour, I'm sure at least one of those would be correct. Why would anyone wan't to pay $100 for less overall power? We are driving SVT's, so act like it!
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I had the same problem after installing the exhaust cam gear. I checked the

timing 3 times and still had the fault code. I'm glad the dealership found it

cause i would have never thought. It was the "cam phaser" and VCT solinoid.

they reflashed my ECU and burned it up. luck for it was under warrenty. :)

Only $365

and my car was all better. Friendly again.
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