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Old 05-28-2007, 12:57 PM   #1
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water leak, buckets of water in passenger side foot well

hi to all
i am new to the forum
my car is a Ford Focus, 1.8tdci, 04 plate estate
had the car for just 1 week, this is the first focus ive had and love it
after having the car for a week, with no problems
i got in the car today to a footwell of water, and i mean water, 2--4 buckets full
Ithe car was parked up saturday, and not used all day sunday, rain most of the day, and rain during the night
The water was in the front passenger side, i checked the roof lining , that was dry
The dash was dry, and also the side of the carpet were the door opens
I dryed the carpet (took ages)
after that i got my son to hold hose pipe on roof of the car, no leeks ther
I then got him to put the hose pipe on the screen, then i felt little drips of water coming from under the footwell, just under the windscreen near the bonnet there is that black trim, i got the hose pipe there and the drip started to get faster
so it looks like its running behind the plastic trim, under the scrre, and probally there is a hole in the bulk head somewere
As anyone had any similair problems ?
Do i take it to ford dealers to get it looked at?
or is there a simple repair i can do myself ?
I never do any sort of repairs i usually have to pay for any repairs, so will it cost me an arm and a leg for ford to sort the problem out
Or can i look any further to see were water coming from ?
Any info would be great
thabks in advanceMark..


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Old 05-28-2007, 01:01 PM   #2
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WOW. tht is strange. hmm. is it coming throgh one of the "floor" vents under the dash or is it just coming in from all over right there?
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WATER LEAKS AND/OR A/C CONDENSATION LEAKS AT FRONT FLOOR AREA - SERVICE TIPS

Publication Date: June 17, 2005

FORD: 2000-2005 Focus


This article supersedes TSB 02-25-1 to update the vehicle model years and service procedure.

ISSUE:
Some 2000-2005 Focus vehicles may exhibit a difficult to diagnose or difficult to repair water leak or A/C system condensation leak condition in the front floor area. This may be caused by sealer skips, loose grommets, mis-positioned seals or condensation leaking from the A/C evaporator case.

ACTION:
Determine if the concern is an A/C condensation leak or a water leak and repair as necessary. Some common water leak locations and repair recommendations are listed in this article to help reduce repair time and increase repair effectiveness.

SERVICE PROCEDURE

If possible, ask the customer the following questions to help determine when the leak occurs.
Does leak occur only when A/C is on in high heat/humidity conditions?
If yes, proceed to A/C Condensation Leak Inspection/Repair Procedure.
If no, or customer is unsure, proceed to question b.
Does leak occur when it is raining or when the vehicle is taken through a car wash?
If yes, proceed to Water Leak Testing and Water Inspection/Repair Procedure.
If no, or customer is unsure, proceed to A/C Condensation Leak Inspection/Repair Procedure. If no problem is found proceed to Water Leak Testing and Water Leak Inspection/Repair Procedure.
A/C Condensation Leak Inspection/Repair Procedure

Start the engine and run vehicle with A/C on, in the recirculated air position, with the blower at high speed.
Inspect for condensation leaks coming from the evaporator case area.
If condensation leaks are present replace the evaporator case with Part Number 5S4Z-19B50-BB. Refer to Workshop Manual, Section 412-02.
NOTE: DO NOT REPLACE THE EVAPORATOR CASE IF A CONDENSATION LEAK CANNOT BE VERIFIED.



Water Leak Testing Procedure

Using a high pressure water hose or a pressure washer, run water onto the windshield being sure to direct water over the roof ditch moldings, and down onto the cowl (Figure 1).


Figure 1 - Article 05-13-3


Open the hood and direct water (from the side of the vehicle) into the base of the A-pillar in the hood hinge area (Figure 2).


Figure 2 - Article 05-13-3


Remove right front inner splash shield and direct water into the back of the right front wheel well area (Figure 3). Refer to Workshop Manual, Section 501-02.
Proceed to Water Leak Inspection/Repair Procedure.


Figure 3 - Article 05-13-3


Water leak Inspection/Repair Procedure

Inspect the following areas for visible signs of leaks and follow the appropriate repair steps.

Water is visible at Blower Motor Connector, Blower Motor Resistor, Blower Motor Mounting Flange, or Foot Air Duct:

NOTE: THE MOST LIKELY SOURCE OF THE LEAK IS THE FRESH AIR INTAKE. WATER ENTRY INTO THE AIR INLET HOUSING MAY BE VISIBLE BY LOOKING THROUGH THE RECIRCULATION DOOR AS IT IS OPEN AND CLOSED. TO DO THIS, REMOVE THE GLOVE BOX, TURN THE IGNITION KEY TO THE ON POSITION AND PUSH THE RECIRCULATION BUTTON.



Remove the cowl panel grille and inspect for gaps between the pollen filter housing gasket and sheet metal plenum (2000-2003 model years) or skips in the sealer around the pollen filter housing (2004-2005 model years).
If gaps are present inspect for bent plenum sheet metal flanges and repair as necessary.
Seal around the pollen filter housing perimeter using Clear Silicone Rubber (TA-32).
Water is Visible on Evaporator Case Seal at the Heater Core Inlet/Outlet:

Inspect for a mis-positioned evaporator case seal at the heater core inlet/outlet. Repair as necessary (Figure 4).


Figure 4 - Article 05-13-3


Inspect for loose evaporator case housing attachment nuts. Repair as necessary.
Water is Visible in the Right Kick Panel/A-Post Area

NOTE: IT MAY BE NECESSARY TO REMOVE THE INSTRUMENT PANEL TO FULLY ACCESS AND REPAIR SOME LEAK SOURCES. FOLLOW WORKSHOP MANUAL SECTION 501-12 IF INSTRUMENT PANEL REMOVAL IS NECESSARY.



Inspect for sealer skip behind roof ditch moldings. Fold the ditch molding back and inspect for a pinhole in the body seal just above the windshield. Reseal as necessary with Motorcraft Roof Ditch Sealer (TA-15) (Figure 5).


Figure 5 - Article 05-13-3


Inspect for wire harness body grommet loose or mis-positioned. Reposition or reinstall grommet as necessary (Figure 6).


Figure 6 - Article 05-13-3


Inspect for skip in windshield urethane. Reseal as necessary.
Inspect for sealer skip in A-post to cowl joint. Reseal as necessary (Figure 7).


Figure 7 - Article 05-13-3


Inspect for sealer skips between cowl top to bulkhead, just above main harness grommet (Figure 8).


Figure 8 - Article 05-13-3



PART NUMBER PART NAME
5S4Z-19850-BB A/C Evaporator Case
TA-32 Clear Silicone Rubber
TA-15 Motorcraft Roof Ditch Sealer
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Old 05-28-2007, 02:36 PM   #4
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re water

hi again
i think the water is comong from under the dash
it cant be a A/C problem, as the car was stood still
and the A/C had not been used
it was while it was raining, so i guess its some sort of a seal somewere
maybe round the pollen filter area
under the black trim, that fits just above the top of the bonnet, on to the windscreen
I'll have a look tomorow, if i cant fix it , or see something wrond, guess its a main dealer job
So i also guess a lot of 's to get fixed, grrrrrrrrr
i think the leak is coming from that area, seats were dry, roof dry, dash dry, glove box dry, round bottom of doors were carpet comes from under the trim also dry
Thats wy im puzzled
any more info
cheers
mark....
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Old 05-28-2007, 02:37 PM   #5
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This article supersedes TSB 02-25-1 to update the vehicle model years and service procedure.

What does this mean ?
As ive seen the quote TSB in other threads
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Old 05-28-2007, 03:40 PM   #6
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Hmm i ahve the same prob. It only happend 2 times and both after a big rain storm. Is it a recall or something?
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Old 05-28-2007, 04:39 PM   #7
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no its just a technical bulletin explaining what the problem is and the repair.
most of us with the problem just lift the edge of the cowel cover and put a bead of silicone along the edge that meets the windshield to seal it.
rain or other water sources go down the windshield and between it and the cowel cover thats not sealing. from there it enters the heating/ ac system inside the car. usually it comes out from around the blower motor, or somewhere in the duct system.
only other thing to do to repair besides silicone or something similar, is to replace the cowel cover which is about $70 us
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Old 05-28-2007, 05:18 PM   #8
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yep sucks! Know the feeling! Im to lazy to fix mine! sniff sniff! But it was a recall! and its easy to fix! there are several post on FF and the jet! on how toos to fix it!
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^^^ any links?
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i had the same problem a couple of years ago. something was wrong with the seal from the windshield to the inside of the car. i had a shop fix it so i don't have anything to tell you on how to fix it yourself.
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