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Old 05-18-2007, 05:23 PM   #41
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I think Tom pretty much said he has tested many of the cams out there and they only gave up 4-10hp over stocks.
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I understand why spend $300-$400 for 5-10 hp

I want my rpm range to be 3000-7000 rpm

I have Crower stage 2s right now new in the box
and I'm building a motor I dont want to take the
cams out of my stock because I'm going to leave it the way it is.
So if I use stock cams I'll have to buy some.What do stock cams cost.

I bought both crane cams for $219
I'll trade you my stock cams for the Cranes.
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Old 05-19-2007, 07:43 PM   #43
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Old 05-20-2007, 11:03 AM   #44
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The cam industry is a huge mutli million dollar business filled with companies like Crane, Comp, Crower, VT, Isky, Lunati, etc. Its one of the largest sectors of the automotive aftermarket. Cams are an enormous affector of engine air flow. I open my 674 page Crane catalog here and its FILLED with blower and turbo cams. That tells me there "could be something" to this. (insert sarcasm)

I guess my experience with terminator Cobras (Crower 30HP) Blown 5.0's (could be tons! Theres a million cammed and blown 5.0s!), DSM's (HKS Cams - 30HP), SRT-4's (Crane splits - 40 HP with gears), etc, etc, etc...

Theres definitely power to made with cams in FI cars! Stock Focus cams are meant to optimize fuel economy and emissions on an NA car. NOT for a turbo. They are better than sticking most hot NA cams in, yes, but not optimized by any means.

You read to many magazines. What experience do you really have. You state you put cams in that you FEEL will make better power. Cam companies make stuff and sell but it doesn't mean it works. Maybe with there setup of what they tested with. Maybe emission cams work very well with a car that is not stock anymore. Do you have a clue about complete combinations and understanding flow numbers? Just because Fastrax does something doesn't mean it will work for you. He is in another league. His setups are not close to what you build. You keep try'in to put yourself on some kind of pedestal. Wake up.
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Old 05-20-2007, 12:35 PM   #45
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You read to many magazines. What experience do you really have. You state you put cams in that you FEEL will make better power. Cam companies make stuff and sell but it doesn't mean it works. Maybe with there setup of what they tested with. Maybe emission cams work very well with a car that is not stock anymore. Do you have a clue about complete combinations and understanding flow numbers? Just because Fastrax does something doesn't mean it will work for you. He is in another league. His setups are not close to what you build. You keep try'in to put yourself on some kind of pedestal. Wake up.
wow well put.
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Ray,

What has your experience been so far with FI cams? I'm not so much concerned with large power increase figures as I am with what effect they have on the power band and tuning?
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Old 05-20-2007, 06:25 PM   #47
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The cam industry is a huge mutli million dollar business filled with companies like Crane, Comp, Crower, VT, Isky, Lunati, etc. Its one of the largest sectors of the automotive aftermarket. Cams are an enormous affector of engine air flow. I open my 674 page Crane catalog here and its FILLED with blower and turbo cams. That tells me there "could be something" to this. (insert sarcasm)

I guess my experience with terminator Cobras (Crower 30HP) Blown 5.0's (could be tons! Theres a million cammed and blown 5.0s!), DSM's (HKS Cams - 30HP), SRT-4's (Crane splits - 40 HP with gears), etc, etc, etc...

Theres definitely power to made with cams in FI cars! Stock Focus cams are meant to optimize fuel economy and emissions on an NA car. NOT for a turbo. They are better than sticking most hot NA cams in, yes, but not optimized by any means.
First we ARE NOT working on Mustangs here maybe that is where your confusion is coming into play and your 674 pages of Crane "parts" offer little to nothing for the Focus lets stop trying to impress the people that dont know with BS that I and others can see through , I could care less what you or anyone can do with Mustangs here because this is a Focus Forum , I thought you guys where the Focus Pro`s

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Old 05-20-2007, 06:34 PM   #48
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OK. Lets look at why we added a turbo. More air, right? Well... Lets let more of it in! Thats what a cam is all about! There isnt a question in my mind that a properly selected camshaft will do so. When I build my engines, I grab cams that I feel will improve my power output based on specs and have been very happy thus far.

Anyone who has ever done Zetec cams knows that swapping cams takes some time to do properly due to the Zetecs lashing method. So I havent back to backed them. Fastrax did and made great power. Cool!

I also think my forged rods work great but I didnt get out a Rockwell tester or something and test them before I tossed em in. I just used logic. It a vast improvement over the OE stuff that wasnt designed for my intended use. Nuff said.
The problem isnt people are not "properly selecting" a cam. The problem is the cams out there offer little in HP/TQ gains VS the cost

compareing Fastrax to the majority of the People here modding there Focus is like compareing Nascar with your local track racers

Whats a vast improvement ? You have nothing to back up what you stated in another thread you knew for a "Fact" I have yet to see anything to back that or much of anything else you say up , The intake manifold , crank , block , none of the other engine parts were designed for your intended use either but your using them , going by that "logic" we should change everything ?

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True, but I drew my conclusions not from manufacturers statements but from anylysis of profiles vs stock. :)
So now your saying you have analyzed all FI cams out there was this done on a dyno where you can see how each respong to the raised durations and overlaps and centerlines or sitting there saying . Hay this one has more lift it has to let more air in ?

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I myself would rather make more HP from efficiency than just crank up the boost and put more stress on the motor.
This one I liked the best of all , You would rather spend the customers money (350.00+) on a Can that adds less HP then just adding 1psi of boost and are you saying IF the cams added 10HP to equal the 10HP from the 1psi more boost the stress wouldnt be the same ? Stress (250HP) is stress (250HP) Dont matter where it comes from

Is this the guy you want building and working on your stuff ? ? ? ? ?

The Focus Pros ? ?

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