Atco Raceway and Broken Axles

[CompEuroZX5]

Originally Posted by 1turbofocus

Yep your right your guy is the first ever to run his car sooooo fast through the 1/4

He runs sooooooo fast that he breaks axles every time. How fast was he running in the 1/4 again?

Give me a break there have been guys like tobyboom , econorocket , Myself and many many others doing this before he started on his project back in 2001 and 2002 drag racing with good 60foot times

As I said in my previous posts the first pass ever the car pulled a 1.801 60ft at night in 20 degree weather. On that pass it spun the tires in third gear which put him out of the grove so he aborted the rest of the pass. (A few passes later a fast stick shift LS1 Camaro went into the wall on the top end which shows you the condition of the track that night) The funny thing is the first time out in the car it pulled a better 60ft then you have been able to do in all of your 500 plus passes. So how can you claim that you were doing this back in 2001 and 2002 when you never went better than a 2.0x in your 700 hp car?? And for the other guys you mentioned what were their best 60ft's? Just claiming that you guys were doing this in 2001-2002 doesn't mean anything unless you can back this up with some real numbers...

As any serious drag racer would know the first 60ft is the most important crucial part to running the best ET possible. It also clearly indicates how well you chassis is dialed in.

Originally Posted by 1turbofocus

C-F-M is making 1.8 60 times now and have been for some time and there not killing axles

Well 1.8x 60fts are nothing to right home about except maybe in a Focus. The axles held up for us on a tire spinning 1.801 60ft which shows they can hold for a launch in the 1.8's but how much lower can you consistently go under 1.8? The first pass was ran with no burnout and 20psi in the hoosier drag radials. The tires were spinning through first and second on that pass. (Like always I have the video to prove that as well...) So clearly to improve upon that 60ft on the next pass we lowered the air pressure down to 15psi and and did a decent burnout. This amount of grip was too much for the stock axles to handle as the car didn't even move when both axles broke. On the first pass the axles survived because it was spinning the tires due to the high air pressure and lack of a burnout which was a conscious decision because I had a feeling the axles would break if the car actually hooked. Before this the axles survived many off track launches off the two step under boost. The reason for that is because the street doesn't hook nearly like the track does which results in tire spin instead of instant axle snapping traction.

Originally Posted by 1turbofocus

If he has broken 2 sets now something is wrong and needs to be corrected or its abuse one or the other

Well its already on its way to being corrected by replacing the axles with a much stronger after market set and also borrowing a few tricks from the Honda guys. It's too bad the track is closed now or we would already be back with some new numbers and hopefully no more broken axles.

[CompEuroZX5]

Originally Posted by 03OrangeSVT

If you are breaking axles like that then something else is wrong, the tranny can be misaligned, the bracket that holds the axle in place can be loose, something can be bent.

All you have to do is start binding an axle to get it to break.

FWIW Tom put down a little over 700whp at the tires on a dynojet. We dont count flywheel power on here.

If you've seen this car first hand you wouldn't question the alignment of the transmission or any of the quality of this build. Even though Tom and I have a little disagreement on the axles I'm sure he would still vouch for the workmanship put into this Focus.

I also suppose you don't drag race around here either? Any 1/4 miles times there 03OrangeSVT? I would love to know what your running with 360whp and all of that traction you claim to have with the extra 1000lbs in the car...

[1turbofocus]

Originally Posted by CompEuroZX5

night) The funny thing is the first time out in the car it pulled a better 60ft then you have been able to do in all of your 500 plus passes. So how can you claim that you were doing this back in 2001 and 2002 when you never went better than a 2.0x in your 700 hp car?? .

I dont claim anything, It isnt my fault your this late in the game and im surely not going to be the one to go back YEARS and bring up numbers to prove things to you, So my 60 foot sucks when you run better then a 10.95@137 MPH on drag radials you come back and talk to me

Originally Posted by CompEuroZX5

As any serious drag racer would know the first 60ft is the most important crucial part to running the best ET possible. It also clearly indicates how well you chassis is dialed in..

Well I am serious about drag racing and im here to tell you your wrong , The most important thing is to make a good time passing through the beams at the FINISH LINE abusing you parts to where you sit broke at the start line because you feel a good 60 is most important means the stock Focus sitting beside you just handed you your a$$

I run my Focus as hard or harder then any one here but I know its limits and where things could go wrong a good 60 foot isnt that important to me and I can make it up with HP , 60 feet out of 1320 is a very small distance , you play in that 60 foot you feel is so important ill play in the other 1260 feet

Tom

[1turbofocus]

Originally Posted by CompEuroZX5

I also suppose you don't drag race around here either?

Yes I have English town where I ran the first known 11 sec pass (documented in MMFF) in my Focus

Tom

[CaysE]

I'm sorry to see this side of you, Tom. Eric seems to be quite passionately discussing drag racing technically, and you're bashing him for that. Considering the original point of this thread is about breaking stock axles, the 60ft would be the most important part of the run. It's no mystery that launching puts the most stress on the axles, and if you truly are a serious drag racer, you want to launch as fast as possible. Dominic uses this car to drag race, not daily drive. You use your car to be as quick as possible while being able to drive to the track and back home without changing anything. I'm not saying you're wrong (or that Eric is wrong either); you simply are running two different kinds of cars.

So let's be clear about this whole thread: it's is known and proven that the stock axles can hold up to a lot of abuse, and if you plan on running street tires, you probably have nothing to worry about no matter how much power you're making. Now, if you plan on competing in drag racing seriously, Dominic has proven and Eric has showed us that you will probably need to upgrade.

Originally Posted by 1turbofocus

...C-F-M is making 1.8 60 times now and have been for some time and there not killing axles ...

Where did you hear this? I've only seen them run mid 1.9, and again, only on street tires. Like most everybody else building their Focuses, CFM built a daily driver, not a drag car.

[1turbofocus]

Its right in the forum where they talk about the run , Doms car the last time I saw it was still a street car as well

As for "passionately discussing drag racing technically" To me he is coming in here challanging what has been done by many in the past problem free, A good 60 foot time is worthless if you cant get to the other end of the track and I dont care what kind of car it is that holds true

Tom

[CaysE]

Originally Posted by 1turbofocus

Its right in the forum where they talk about the run , Doms car the last time I saw it was still a street car as well...

I know it's right in the forum. Here's the quote:

Originally Posted by cfmfocus2

Here is the information from the time slip for that run.

60' 1.946
330 5.411
1/8 8.139
mph 91.29
1000 10.455
1/4 12.409
mph 114.81

As for Dominic's car, it's not purpose-built to be street-driven. Yes it's streetable, but it's a drag car.

Originally Posted by 1turbofocus

...As for "passionately discussing drag racing technically" To me he is coming in here challanging what has been done by many in the past problem free, A good 60 foot time is worthless if you cant get to the other end of the track and I dont care what kind of car it is that holds true

Tom

Of course he's challenging it... when's the last time you saw a 1.7x 60'-capable Focus on a Focus drivetrain? You're saying that he's abusing the car by launching so high; well, what do you expect? Drag racing is abusive, but you have to abuse the car to go faster.

This really seems like a redundant argument. Dominic's car has reached the point where you need to replace axles. It's bound to happen... everything has a breaking point. The stock axles aren't bulletproof.

[cfmfocus2]

We did 1.8x 60 foot in our silver vortech car and black turbo car. That particular run did not have the best 60 foot time. We probably need to put the bigger slicks on it. It has only 22x8x15 MT slicks on it now. The turbo focus is launch off the line with 2 step and dumping the clutch at 5,500 to 6,000 rpms. It does not have enough traction for nitrous off the line.

We never had a problem yet with the stock axles.

The black turbo focus has stock suspension. I am sure suspension, wider bigger drag slicks, and traction bar would help reduce the 60 foot time.

[1turbofocus]

CaysE now what do you have to say , I dont say crap just to be saying it

Tom

[03OrangeSVT]

I dont drag mine... I built it to go to road tracks.

Never even had the desire to hit the strip with it... why run 1/4 mile every 30 minutes (on a good night ) when you can run flat out for 20-30 minutes at a time (depending on what track you're at.

There has been many many people on here seen mine run, been in it when it ran.

We're just trying to help you guys out and all you wnat to do is be a dip shit about everything.

Dont you think somethings wrong where there are alot of other Foci out there with just as much power or more NOT having this issue? Wise the up and take the help and get over your "were the fastest or making the most power: ego trip your on.