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Old 06-22-2014, 11:56 PM   #51
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' it just won't drop for no reason'

Righto, there will be a reason but in this case I'm thinking poor valveseat material or poor seat install criteria. Depends on whether the seat loosens to fall out or simply cracks up in smaller pieces. Could be both combined, and both easily fixable with not much effort by the OEM.

While extreme running conditions lead to it faster there are people who really take good care of their stuff and I'd be pissed if I was one of those. If you are one of those then 'for no reason' holds a different place in your thinking...........
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Yup - look at Kamaaina's post back a couple pages - CLEAN engine bay matches his comments on great maint..

Still happened suddenly.
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'...if you fix that one fatal flaw it's a good motor'

Just irritating as hell that they never addressed that at ALL. Once they designed the basic design away from the early EXP engines that routinely exploded as soon as belt jumped they had a solid engine that could have really bumped up their image in the real world but they don't lift a finger to cure the ONLY real issue left there. I can't come to any other conclusion other than planned obsolescence there. They made an engineering guess as to 150-200K miles average life there and came up a bit short, whoops too late to go back and fix that! We certainly don't want cars lasting longer than that, already have that problem now!
i agree with the sentiment. I am also frustrated that Ford never bothered to fix a known issue. Of course, the cynical side of me thinks, why would Ford put any money into fixing an issue that always shows up well after warranty? From a purely analytical standpoint it does not make any sense. Add that to the fact that at least some people who suffer the dropped valve may buy another ford product, and Ford has absolutely no incentive to fix its mistake.

Whether another company would have acted the same way is impossible to tell, but I would bet the fact that they do not acknowledge the problem would be the same no matter what company it was (though some would be less likely to repeat the error for multiple generations of the engine....)

As far as Ford's overall reliability dropping, I think that is pretty standard across the industry. At some point along the way the manufactures figured out that if their cars break, people will have to buy new cars. They have no incentive now to make a car that routinely surpasses 200k miles. Add the ever increasing complexity of modern cars, and it is no surprise that they have a shorter lifespan. I recently purchased a 77 f-250. That think is built like a tank. It will probably last longer than I will. Today's cars, (and trucks) are simply not the same.
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' it just won't drop for no reason'

Righto, there will be a reason but in this case I'm thinking poor valveseat material or poor seat install criteria. Depends on whether the seat loosens to fall out or simply cracks up in smaller pieces. Could be both combined, and both easily fixable with not much effort by the OEM.

While extreme running conditions lead to it faster there are people who really take good care of their stuff and I'd be pissed if I was one of those. If you are one of those then 'for no reason' holds a different place in your thinking...........
now I'm working seeing if it has to do with the plant they were assembled in. I know the Zetec engine was assembled in two different plants. I'm going to do some research

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Escort sites might help with research as well - I've heard they had the issue, but not as a very common problem - could be false hearsay.
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Escort sites might help with research as well - I've heard they had the issue, but not as a very common problem - could be false hearsay.
I'll take a look. but I remember them being just as bad on the escort sites. and they thought the focus was less of a problem. goes to show how much forums blow things out of proportion lol
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I just read this thread. But yes, as a veteran of the Ford Escort 1.9 and 2.0 SPI engines (still have 2 SPIs at home a 1999 and 2002), I've had my share of dropped valve seats.

Had one on a 1995 (1.9), and one had clearly occurred on the low mileage 1999 I purchased a couple of years back.

For the relatively cheap price of about $250 for a re-manufactured cylinder head (plus what, $70 for a gasket kit?) it's worth the insurance to replace. I've replaced both cylinder heads on my '99 and '02.

How many years did Ford use them in the Focus, was it through the 2004 model year? In fact, wasn't the 2.0 SPI the last 8 valve 4 cylinder produced in the US market? It's origins go all the way back to the 1981 US Escort (1.6 was it). I had plenty of 1980's Escorts too. Carburetors and those engines just don't get along well.

Remember, it was sold and designed back in the days when Ford was losing money on each US Escort sold, so the fact they ran at all was amazing. And getting a recall out of Ford in those days on the Escort (and possibly even early Focuses) was almost impossible.
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How many years did Ford use them in the Focus, was it through the 2004 model year? In fact, wasn't the 2.0 SPI the last 8 valve 4 cylinder produced in the US market?
In the Focus, the SPI ran through the 2004 model year. from 2000-2004 They were found in all LX, some SE sedans, some wagons, and a few canadian hatchbacks. I believe you are right about the end of the 8 valve 4 cyl. I know the SPI has not been used on US soil since 2004.

Thank you for the info on the escort SPI's.
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