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Old 03-19-2014, 09:38 PM   #1
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Question New to the forum - Transmission fluid questions

Hi - New to the forum. I recently bought a 2014 Focus S to use as a daily driver. I have about 1500 miles on the car now, and have really been enjoying it. It's pretty fun to drive, especially with the 5-speed manual.

The manual transmission is what brings me here today, more specifically, the fluid inside of it. I am one to follow a strict maintenance schedule, and part of that maintenance schedule for me is changing out fluids after an initial break in period. With 1500 miles on the car, I will be doing an engine oil change this weekend (Motorcraft oil and filter), and planned on doing the gearbox fluid at about 2500 miles.

I understand that the fluid is expensive for this gearbox, but I will spend it for the peace of mind. My dilemma comes from the specification for this fluid. In the owners manual, it states that for the Manual Transmission, Motorcraft Full Synthetic Dual Clutch Manual Transmission Fluid (Ford Part Number: BOT350-M3 / For Spec: WSS-M2C200-D2) is to be used. However, on the most recent Motorcraft Transmission Fluid Chart, it states that for 2012+ the MTX75 is to us DTC (Dual Clutch Transmission Fluid (Ford Part Number XT-11-QDC / For Spec WSD-M2C200-D2). Same specification, different part number.

My thoughts are that the XT-11-QDC is available on Amazon, and I cannot find the BOT350, so as long as the specification is met, I should be good. I just want to be sure I am putting the correct fluid in the 'box. I also wonder why the switch from the XT-M5-QS that was in the MTX75 since 1995?

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded post, I just wonder if anyone has any insight on this.

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Old 03-20-2014, 12:34 AM   #2
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Updated Spec. & part # is my guess on the MTX-75.

WSD-M2C200-C was the spec. for the XT-M5-QS in my '04 MTX-75.

Don't know about that BOT350-M3, what does that chart show for the DCT?

Best answer might come from the date of the chart you're referring to, those are published to show the current recommendations of Fluids avail. from Ford.

FWIW - same spec. doesn't mean exactly the same fluid, many from various mfrs. may meet the spec. without being anywhere near "identical".

Hadn't seen the question come up because of the LONG change interval on either version.
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I've attached the pdf of the fluid spec sheet, printed 06/2013.

DCT is not shown on the chart because it is for manual transmission only, but the 2014 owners manual states that Motorcraft Dual Clutch Transmission Fluid (Ford Part = Number XT-11-QDC / Ford Specification = Not Given).
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So what does your manual actually state?

One post says "BOT 350 - M3", the other XT-11-QDC.

The XT-11 is what the chart calls for, that's likely correct.
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My owners manual says BOT 350 - M3 (Ford Spec. WSS-M2C200-D2) is to be used for the manual 'box, and XT-11-QDC is to be used for the Auto (DTC), which on the fluid chart I posted is also Ford Spec WSS-M2C200-D2, the chart which says XT-11-QDC is to be used for the manual, hence the confusion.

Upon some more research, it appears that the BOT 350 - M3 is a Castrol gear oil, and I found it come up as a Volvo transaxle fluid as well as a Fiat transaxle fluid. My though is that perhaps this is a European market fluid which meets the spec, which would make sense to me since the MTX75 is made in Germany. I'm going to do a little more digging and see if XT-11-QDC is Ford's part number for BOT 350 - M3. A DTC is basically an automated manual, so it makes sense that the XT-11-QDC is called for on the specification sheet.

Man, this is quite confusing. I just want to put the correct oil in my gearbox when I do the service.



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Moved to the MkIII section.

Odd to have that spec. in the manual, moved it here for more looks from MkIII owners & our Ford Rep.
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Back when I owned a new Contour SVT I changed the MTX-75 tranny fluid early on. Yes the first drain was FULL of fine metallic particles.
I was suprised.
That was back when i was young. Now I am just too old and not interested in making the tranny last a milllion miles. Many hundred thousand will do.
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Straight from the Ford Focus service manual....

Motorcraft® Dual Clutch Transmission Fluid XT-11-QDC, spec WSS-M2C200-D2

You will need 2.01 qt (1.9L) of fluid, filled to anywhere between 0 and 5mm below the fill plug hole.
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For a mtx75? What in the world does dct fluid have to do with the tried and tested?
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For a mtx75? What in the world does dct fluid have to do with the tried and tested?
Yes, for the MTX75. It's also the same fluid recommended in the ST's 6 speed, and the DCT.
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