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Old 02-15-2014, 11:04 PM   #21
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Just wait for summer. 2014 owners have only driven theirs in the cold so far, and yes, it does make a difference. Also, the number of complaints from 2014 owners are likely lower because there are fewer 2014 owners and they have driven fewer miles overall. I do not believe any magic fix was implemented between 2013 and 2014.
My point was this: If someone is claiming that Ford still needs to fix the DCT, it is clearly implying that there are still issues with the (current) clutch assembly and/or firmware.

How could that person know exactly what the current issues are with the DCT that Ford hasn't addressed (at this point in time) unless they have inside knowledge (i.e. they are a Ford executive or engineer).

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Kabigon, I give you a hard time but believe it or not, we are on the same side. I would like to see the Focus continue to succeed. It is a wonderful car.

Poor dealer service is a major factor but that might have been a lesser issue were it not for a defective initial release of the DCT. I believe the fact that we are now up to clutch revision "D" validates my argument. I have read several anecdotal reports from members who have the D clutch revision that report resolution of their issues. Time will tell.
There is no argument that there were some substantial issues with the clutches.

My arguments have been that:

1) In three years, Ford has clearly made major improvements to the DCT.
Obviously, it would have been *incredibly* stupid of them not to.

2) Good service is important.
There are many DCTs that should be "fixed" (even if it's just a firmware update) and aren't because the dealer dismisses the concerns of their customers.

I suppose there are some that believe that Ford management (and engineers) are a bunch of total morons and that good dealer service is not important.
I personally don't believe it.

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You were so right lol. He must own shares in this company or sleeping with the enemy.
By advocating for better dealer service, you have concluded that I am likely a Ford shareholder?

That doesn't make any sense.


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Yes it burns the shit out of itself
The clutches burn up when coasting?
Could you please elaborate on this?

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ha ha! you know it. even though his grinds!
I have an old clutch (05/2011) and the only issue is the "grinding" noise, which rarely happens.
At some point in the future, I hope to get it replaced at the same time that the leaking seal is replaced.

What was your point?
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Old 02-16-2014, 06:22 AM   #22
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1) In three years, Ford has clearly made major improvements to the DCT.
What do you base this conclusion this on?
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:11 AM   #23
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Old 02-16-2014, 10:28 PM   #24
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What do you base this conclusion this on?
First hand experience.
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Old 02-16-2014, 10:32 PM   #26
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Yeah, lots of nonsense here like some guy claiming that the clutches burn up when coasting.

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Fine, but lets stick with the facts.
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Old 02-16-2014, 10:43 PM   #27
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Stop Kabigon you actually are getting annoying. The clutches do burn themselves up. Maybe not while coasting but everyone's situation may be different.
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The clutches do burn themselves up. Maybe not while coasting but everyone's situation may be different.
OK, I believe that I understand your point of view: The clutches are burning up and Ford doesn't know about it (even after three years) and/or they don't care about their sales, reputation, profits, etc.

If you choose not to engage in this discussion further, it's no problem.
However, I think that it's good when people share their knowledge, experiences, and their point of view.
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http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/r....org%2F8287%2F

Did you happen to read this, gostinger?

From what I've seen reported, someone decided to use the clutch "shudder" as an initial warning rather than a warning light first. This was probably to make it act more "normal" for what it is, and avoid an extra warning light that tends to upset people without reinforcing the desired behavior.

My first post mentions my opinion of the lack of transparency as to the "normal" operation of this transmission type, no need to repeat that!
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Um.... I think that this is a misunderstanding of the words "breaks" and "brakes".

"When I lift my foot off the gas it feels like it breaks"

"When I lift my foot off the gas it feels like it brakes"

The first one is not normal, and I'd think a real transmission break in this case would cause a lot of squealing tires, screeching gears, maybe a stray part exiting the transaxle housing- all sorts of fun stuff. Either that or it could just not go any more, coast to a stop, and you'd be on the phone to AAA or Bob's Tow Serve.

The second one is entirely normal. What people who only ever drove a hydraulic automatic are used to is that floating sensation when letting off the accelerator. This is because your torque converter only mated the engine and transmission when the engine speed was above idle. Once it spins down low- like when you let off the accelerator- you're basically in neutral.

If that's your problem, and you're going to the dealer to fix it- trade your Focus in on an 85 Monte Carlo or Escalade or something like that. You'll never get it fixed. The dealer is always going to tell you "it's normal", and you're always going to be upset.

Now my wife's car, the C-Max hybrid, has more of a traditional automatic feel. I can see where some people would have problems with that design though. It will act like it's in N when you let off the accelerator. There's some braking, but engine braking is only pronounced when you click the right button on the shifter. That freaked my wife out once. Likewise it makes noises sometimes that it doesn't make other times when you turn the car on. That freaks her out. I guess everyone gets freaked out once in a while. I do think that the "L" feature is really freaking cool, and that turns that car into a manual transmission vehicle with only one gear. Lots of engine braking, and it keeps the engine at its most power efficient rpm instead of turning down the ratio to bring the engine speed down. I doubt that one gets much use since people who drive hybrids don't drive them like sports cars- but you could, if you wanted. I've heard that "L" in the Focus is fun also.
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