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Old 12-04-2013, 03:34 PM   #11
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So everyone! This idea ended very very quickly when I found out the way the body is designed underneath there's no room for a drivetrain to run front to back.. now I know why the rear suspension is designed the way it is.

So I guess I really am trading in for a used audi/bmw .... shit.

Seriously guys, moving to the mountains is great and all, just head my warning and don't ever move above like... 6-7,000 feet? My place sits at almost 10,000' and theres TOO MUCH DAMN SNOW.

Have a great day guys! I'm gonna go bankrupt myself due to terrible life decisions!
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Old 12-04-2013, 03:36 PM   #12
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So much for being able to weld ...
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Old 12-04-2013, 04:12 PM   #13
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If you refuse to buy a subaru, there are other relatively cheap options out there. Personally, I would trade my focus for a subby in a heart beat, but you have to like your car, not me.

You should be able to easily afford an older audi or volvo for the price of your wagon. There are quite a few on craig's list under 4 grand.

No need to bankrupt yourself. You just need to know what sacrifices you are willing to make. To get an AWD car that is not a subby, you will have to make sacrifices on year, milage, and/or condition...

Also, if you can survive this winter, prices on AWD vehicles are typical a little less during the summer months around here. You also might get a better deal if you are willing to travel...
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Old 12-04-2013, 06:02 PM   #14
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There is room for a driveshaft underneath in the exhaust channel, but you just need an entirely new rear suspension.

Also instead of audi/bmw you could get a Volvo V70-R which is pretty much the best wagon ever. With 300 hp AWD and MTX it rocks. (except not terribly reliable).
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Old 12-04-2013, 08:27 PM   #15
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screw it, just get a snow mobile
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Old 12-04-2013, 11:06 PM   #16
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My step dad loves his AWD Fusion. Nice car. He goes to the Rockies skiing a lot and thinks nothing of it.
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Old 12-05-2013, 06:33 PM   #17
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I live in Michigan. We put 4 Bridgestone Blizzacks on each of our Focuses (Foci?). We have never had a problem getting around in snow. Even pushing through it up to the hood. They also seem great on ice. Highly recommend them.

I have lived my entire life in the upper midwest. I've never owned or found a need for a 4 wheel drive vehicle. I think for the average person they are over rated. Now if you're an EMT, fireman....
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I agree with Bob, 4 good snow tires and your rear end doesn't slide around on you. Snows on the front and all season on the back is a recipe for paying tow truck drivers to get you out of ditches. It is best to have your tires with the best tread on the back. that way when you go around a corner the rear follows the front. Had a friend who kept all seasons on the back and 2 out of 3 winters he was in the ditch after a gentle curve ( same place), told him how to fix his problem, but he must have liked the tow truck driver.
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The Audis 4wds I looked at under the hood were longitudinal not transverse. That might mess you up. Did they ever make the Escape Hybrid in 4wd? I think so. There's one that would get decent fuel economy, and you might be able to pick one up fairly cheap. I've never heard of the batteries going bad on those. The older Fusion body style cars should be coming up cheaper as well. Do you know anyone in another state where you can find vehicles that are less prone to rust from salt?

There was a guy who wanted to see about putting an Escape 4wd drivetrain under his vehicle- I'm positive that one starts off with a transverse engine, but I don't know how the transfer case is positioned.
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Old 12-23-2013, 03:41 PM   #20
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The wagon should work fine with 4 good snow tires. Living way up in the great white north I am no stranger to snow. I have many times over embarrassed rednecks and others who think winter tires are a scam and 4wd is all that works. A good set of snow tires can make a front wheel drive car sometimes create a snow plow effect and keep on pushing


Some people may have 4wd, but everyone has all wheel brakes.

Now if you really want to go nuts on snow tires, maybe you could try some rally car winter tires.

On that note consider rally racing for the moment. The 300hp 4wd STI's, Lancers and such get all the glory. The majority on the competitors however are much more affordable 2wd production class cars, Foci, Golfs and such. They race well in control and sometimes achieve times surprisingly close to the 4wd class. I once seen a Suzuki Swift+ finish in the snow with a final time that won it's class and was about mid pack in the 4wd class. I would have said that's a bunch of bull if I didn't see it with my own eyes.
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