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Old 11-17-2013, 01:23 PM   #11
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you likely can buy the tensioner assembly aftermarket from places like Napa , it maybe slightly different and possibly an tiny bit beefier

Over the years I have seen belt tensioners that bounce a lot just at idle and not just on Fords
Imagine the movement at highway speed
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Old 11-17-2013, 02:20 PM   #12
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I'll also make recommendations as I have that ability to NOT replace our aging fleet of Police Cruisers with new replacement Fords.
that day is coming sooner than you think. Chicago has around 7000 taxis, and up until a few years ago, they were mostly Crown Vics. Now, all I see are Toyotas. Last week, a Prius cabbie told me his daily fuel bill dropped from $50 to $15 when he got rid of the Vic. Good riddance.
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Old 11-17-2013, 02:24 PM   #13
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Great information guys, thanks. It does have AC, not sure if it spins by hand or not. I didn't want to screw with it until AFTER I call Ford tomorrow. I don't have high hopes for that, but to me, it's the principal of the matter. Where can I find a grade 12.9 bolt? I have read that perhaps, I may need a stronger bolt. The more I read, the more I'm finding that this IS a problem on this motor between the Focus and the Fusion.

My neighbor and father-in-law are going to look at it for me. I'll update y'all.

I have always advocated for Ford, even when we drove Chevy's at work. NOW, we getting ready to replace the fleet bit by bit. This is a matter of principal to me. If Ford won't help me out with their defective product, I'll never buy another one and I'll try my damnedest to make sure everyone around me knows why. AND, I'll make sure that NONE of our replacement vehicles are Ford either. Hey, our aging Chevy's are a POS, but at least GM stands by their product.
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Old 11-17-2013, 02:34 PM   #14
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What will you replace the fleet with if you don't go with Ford?
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Old 11-17-2013, 04:31 PM   #15
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The Possibilities are endless. GM has the new Caprice and the 2wd & 4wd versions of the Tahoe, Dodge has the Charger, Durango, and 4 door Jeep Wrangler, all rated for police work. I'd like to give Ford a chance to make this right. Their a great company, but ultimately, if they turn their back on the customer, then their not worthy of business.
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Old 11-17-2013, 05:06 PM   #16
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You should get the Tahoe for SUVs. The new Explorer and Durango do not even have a presence because because they are so wimpy. And if Ford is out of the question depending on the responce, you should get the Charger. The new caprice is ugly...
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One thought...

On many cars (not just the Focus) it's common to replace the serpentine belt, tensioner & pulley, and idler pulley all at once when one of those components fails at high mileage.

Extended warranty covering replacement of just the obvious failed component isn't likely to give "new car" reliability to the whole system. Checking all the driven components, and replacing all the "wear" items at once gives the best chance for long life B4 repair is needed again.

From what I'm reading, you've had ONE wear item that likely wasn't repaired right give you grief again, the last time 34,000 miles after the repair - wouldn't call the car a POS just for that myself....

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Old 11-18-2013, 02:28 AM   #18
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You have something else going on that is causing the repeated failure of the idler assembly. The techs that replaced the idler did't look into why it failed. If you keep blowing a fuse over and over, you need to look into why instead of just buying more fuses.

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As far as mileage goes, I was thinking that perhaps the alternator had gone. On my car the alternator lasted 130k, and was completely KOed when it died. The only usually replaced part that didn't need to be replaced was the pulley. I had it rebuilt, as always, because rebuilt parts at parts stores suck.

You might have a bad water pump, PS pump, alternator, AC clutch, etc. Any of those will cause the belt to fail also- or shorten the life of the belt you install. EPDM belts should last over 100k miles.

I highly recommend replacing the tensioner and it's pulley as an assembly. I did that on my car when I did the alternator- the belt was still intact, but it was time. I think what we have here is not a case of a bad manufacturer, but of a bad mechanic. At least we have a problem with the way that mechanics are paid and worked nowadays. As I understand it, mechanics are not paid to fix a car, but they bid on the number of hours it's going to take them to fix a car, and then that's what they are paid regardless of how long it takes. This makes everything a rush on the bottom end, and the customer is the one who is burned by incomplete or improper work.

If you want to do the job yourself or with a friend- etc, check out RockAuto.com's prices. Their belts and tensioners are extremely cheap- you can even get Motorcraft parts if you'd like.

Whomever said that a stronger bolt was the problem has no clue. That is not the problem. The bolt might need to be replaced, yes, if so check into the Motorcraft part, I'll gander a guess that it comes with a bolt. I don't know what good a 12.9 would do, or over-torquing would do in aluminum anyway. Usually too much torque is applied to these parts and results in quick part death. I have also seen where, when I replaced my wife's idler on the Windstar, the aftermarket part didn't come with a needed washer. I had to rob- literally pry off- that washer from the old part or it wouldn't have worked.
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Thanks for the help and suggestions everyone. I'm gonna see if I can hire my neighbor to fix it. I called and spoke to Ford today and climbed the ladder and it got me nowhere. I got all the way to management and was told sorry, out of warranty, best of luck.

OK, here is my beef, I completely understand that parts wear. It's not the manufacturers responsibility, it's mine as the vehicles owner. HOWEVER; when the same damn part breaks 4 times in a row, then I expect the manufacturer to act in good faith. If 34k someone wants to tell me that 34k in between breaks this time is acceptable, then I'll counter with that they have very low expectations from that manufacturer. The problem should have been addressed the first time. This has been a chronic problem and Ford will not act in good faith here. So, I will never give them another penny of my money and I will join the millions of others who have given up on American Vehicle Manufacturers. In my live I have owned GMC, Chrysler, Jeep, Ford, and Honda. The one that lasted the longest and gave the least issues was the Honda. If I'm going to make a 25-30+k investment, I demand quality.
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