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Old 08-09-2013, 03:55 PM   #11
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Ok so I wonder if this is a 2012 to 2013 issue then. Eager to find out what happens when a 2012 amp from a Ti is swapped in to the 2013 ST.
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Old 08-09-2013, 04:42 PM   #12
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Ok so I wonder if this is a 2012 to 2013 issue then. Eager to find out what happens when a 2012 amp from a Ti is swapped in to the 2013 ST.
My own worthless opinion is that they're probably both good sound systems, so any difference will be negligible.

When I'm on a windy road with my ST, I always turn off the audio and open the windows/roof so I can appreciate what the engine and transmission are up to.
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Old 09-05-2013, 07:41 PM   #13
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No he's right, I had a 2012 Ti and yes the stereo was better sounding and louder. I did some looking and the amps are different revisions. I have access to my 2012 Ti being I sold it to my brothers son. I plan on swapping out the amps to see it this is the problem.
I can confirm that a 2012 Focus Non-ST model Sony system sounds significantly louder then my 2013 ST. My girlfriend has a 2012 SEL and I was shocked at how much louder her system is then mine. Very curious to see that results of your amp swap test.
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Old 09-05-2013, 08:08 PM   #14
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One thing I have noticed is that with time (almost 6 months now) the sound of the stereo has improved. Maybe it has taken time to get "used to" but very possibly the sound is smoother, and the bass a bit better due to the speakers breaking in. Poly cones and rubber surrounds (both featured in this system) are very stiff when new which could explain the harsh midrange, poor bass, etc. Now I'm not saying the sound is now magically perfect, far from it, but its better now for certain than the day I drove off the lot. As for why the Ti is/was/might be better, cant say. Since any given Ti is older than most people's STs perhaps the speakers have been broken in a bit more?

Around the time when MFT 3.6.2 came about, I was playing around in the bezel diagnostics section as someone posted the instructions to enter (set to radio, press and hold the eject button & forward-seek button at the same time.) Poking around, the ST is classified as a sedan! If Ford has different DSP settings for body styles this could explain it. It would be great if a 5 door Ti owner could check their body type in diagnostics and confirm.
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Old 09-07-2013, 01:46 PM   #15
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Rmurad38 notes a truth about many audio systems, and not just those in cars: they sound better after a "break-in" period. A not-so-few hours on the electronics and especially the speakers often makes a notable improvement.

I drove a 2013 Ti loaner for a day while a cosmetic delivery issue was being fixed on my ST and noticed a substantial difference in the Sony 10-speaker system's front/center speaker grille. It's much larger and unobstructed in the Ti, smaller and partially blocked by the ST's dash-top gauge cluster. No idea whether the driver(s) might be different as well. The observed difference might be enough to result in a weaker center stage mid-bass/midrange in the ST.
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I did the swap with a Ti amp and the sound was the same. I am with ChrissyL, the center channel is obstructed by the ST's dash cluster.
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OK so I went on car-part.com to find an amp from a 2012 Focus. Called one of the yards and got the VIN number of the car an amp came out of, a `12 hatchback Titanium, perfect.

Got the amp today and put it in. YES there is a very audible difference. Not only is the volume "louder" but the bass has more punch and just more fuller overall.
Volume never has to go over 50% and 20-25% is good for most situations.

Before I did this I went to the dealer and complained of the sound difference between my old Titanium and ST. They didn't care, said take it to service which did nothing as to them it sounds fine. In a sense that is true especially if you haven't heard the better sound.

So the two part numbers:
2012 Focus Hatchback Titanium: CT4T-18B849-AA (amp manf Feb '12)
2013 Focus ST : CT4T-18B849-AF (amp manf April '13)

I'm a happy camper now.
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OK so I went on car-part.com to find an amp from a 2012 Focus. Called one of the yards and got the VIN number of the car an amp came out of, a `12 hatchback Titanium, perfect.

Got the amp today and put it in. YES there is a very audible difference. Not only is the volume "louder" but the bass has more punch and just more fuller overall.
Volume never has to go over 50% and 20-25% is good for most situations.

Before I did this I went to the dealer and complained of the sound difference between my old Titanium and ST. They didn't care, said take it to service which did nothing as to them it sounds fine. In a sense that is true especially if you haven't heard the better sound.

So the two part numbers:
2012 Focus Hatchback Titanium: CT4T-18B849-AA (amp manf Feb '12)
2013 Focus ST : CT4T-18B849-AF (amp manf April '13)

I'm a happy camper now.
So it is confirmed! Thank you kind sir.

But this is interesting though, did Sony/Ford make this power for a reason? Perhaps they realized that speakers would be less likely to blow if they de-powered the amp?

Oh well, on to my goose hunt for a 2012 amp....
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FYI My SONY amp which I dont know to be any better or worse than that of the Titanium has the part number of CT4T-18B849-AC, MFG October 2012..crazy so many revisions.

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OK so I went on car-part.com to find an amp from a 2012 Focus. Called one of the yards and got the VIN number of the car an amp came out of, a `12 hatchback Titanium, perfect.

Got the amp today and put it in. YES there is a very audible difference. Not only is the volume "louder" but the bass has more punch and just more fuller overall.
Volume never has to go over 50% and 20-25% is good for most situations.

Before I did this I went to the dealer and complained of the sound difference between my old Titanium and ST. They didn't care, said take it to service which did nothing as to them it sounds fine. In a sense that is true especially if you haven't heard the better sound.

So the two part numbers:
2012 Focus Hatchback Titanium: CT4T-18B849-AA (amp manf Feb '12)
2013 Focus ST : CT4T-18B849-AF (amp manf April '13)

I'm a happy camper now.
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Finally got a chance to pick up one of these amps.

I can confirm switching amps to part # CT4T-18B849-AA effectively doubles the volume of your radio with no distortion. I'm now listening to music at 25% when I used to listen at 50%. This is how the radio should have come from the factory!

Thanks again quattro1!
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