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Old 09-06-2013, 09:37 AM   #21
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With the commuting I do, I would love to see the 2.0L Duratorq Diesel Focus here. With the cost of fuel in Europe, people want the most options with the best fuel economy. Here in North America, we have less expensive fuel and larger distances to travel between points.
I think that this is a large factor in causing the compact market to be so much more competitive in Europe. Because fuel isn't as inexpensive as it is here in the US, people can't afford to operate the larger vehicles. If our fuel was hiked to $8+ per gallon, I think that the compact market would be fierce and we would get a lot more options.

Think about how the compact market became more intense as fuel went over $4-5 a gallon. Prior to that, the amenities offered in a compact were minimal at best. Applying the same logic but increasing our fuel cost to $8 a gallon and there would be tons of trucks/SUV's being traded in and the manufacturers would be competing even harder to earn those sales.
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Old 09-06-2013, 09:50 AM   #22
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I don't understand why the Focus would be so expensive in North America if Ford offered HID,s and some of the other items mentioned in the OP.
This is something I could have added to the post above. The fact is that it wouldn't be substantially more expensive, but there is currently no 'need' for the manufacturer to offer them. Ford already out-sells the majority of the competition without those offerings so there is no real reason for them to 'need' to offer them in competition. While I don't have actual numbers, I would venture an educated guess that the majority of Focus sales are SE's and not Titaniums. That would show that the majority of Americans don't really have a desire to content the compact car. So few are sold here that there are usually only a few Titaniums are ever on a lot here, but you can't throw an average-sized child without hitting a SE.

Speaking from personal experience, all of my previous 'work/commute' cars have been no-option compacts. I had no desire for amenities because my other vehicle has always been a larger and more optioned-out vehicle for family use. All that I wanted my work car to do was get me to work with a low fuel cost-nothing more. And in all honesty, if I hadn't gotten a divorce I wouldn't be driving a Titanium right now-I would be in a S model.
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This is just the way it is. Ford is working hard on their global "One Ford" plan and it appears to be successful. Time will tell if America will finally see the quality and features of their European counterparts.

The majority of Americans don't really want compact cars. Look around at all the midsize sedans and crossovers and it becomes really obvious why a company would 'cut-back' their features for compacts.
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Old 09-06-2013, 10:28 AM   #24
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According to the world bank's information, Europeans appear to buy fewer cars than Americans - about 600 cars per 1000 people versus 800 cars per 1000 people. So if a household has one family car versus two family cars, the household can put more money into bells and whistles on the one car.
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I'd be happy if ford would offer the 6 sp manual here instead of the old 5 sp. I am sure ford's rationale is that not too many guys want manuals but i bet if the 6sp were offered they'd sell many more manuals than they currently do now w/ the 5 sp. And since the 6 sp is offered in the ST (and the upcoming fiesta ST), it would be easy to make the switch for ford.
It's also more complicated than this, they have to certify every powertrain combination to be emissions compliant and that includes the manual gearbox. With the projected take rate having been less than 10% it didn't make sense to certify the 2.0 L GDI engine with two different manual transmissions.

The Fiesta ST uses a different 6 speed transmission to that of the Focus ST also but that's becasue of the 1.6 L EcoBoost engine.

The Fiesta ST uses the lighter duty Ford B6 6-speed manual transaxle, which is also used in the Focus 1.6L EcoBoost 150-182PS in Europe.

If they didn't have to re-certify the power train combination in the Focus once approved in the Fiesta ST they would still have to run EPA fuel economy testing because people didn't like the loophole that let them test the Fusion hybrid and then use the same powertrain and weight figures for the C-MAX hybrid.

Not sure off hand which gearbox the Fusion 1.6 is using, but it's probably not the MMT6 from the Focus ST based on the power levels.

It would have been nice to see the 1.6 as an intermediate step between the 2.0 L GDI and the 2.0L GTDI EcoBoost engine in the ST, but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen at least until the mid cycle refresh if at all.
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If I remember correctly. Ford already had certified the 1.6 EcoBoost and 6 spd manual transmission for the Grand C-Max (7 seater) which was due in USA showrooms October 2011, but was cancelled June 2011.
I could be wrong on the 6spd manual being offered on the Grand C-Max (Fords media for this info has been deleted recently), so I cannot verify the 6 spd manual.

But for sure the 1.6 EB was in the Grand C-Max tech sheet. So I would imagine the only issue that would need to be certified for the Focus would be the EPA testing.
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With the commuting I do, I would love to see the 2.0L Duratorq Diesel Focus here. With the cost of fuel in Europe, people want the most options with the best fuel economy. Here in North America, we have less expensive fuel and larger distances to travel between points.
The problem with bringing diesel compact cars over to the US is marketing. Chevy has the diesel Cruze which is only available in a nice high trim level with lots of toys = lots of money. They market it as a premium car which it really is not. If manufacturers want a diesel to succeed, stop marketing it as a premium option. Cross-shopping the diesel with the gas really doesn't put the diesel in favor price wise. The added cost of the diesel plus the added cost of the toys some people don't care for makes it a non-option. Will it succeed? Time will tell. I'd love to own a diesel Focus but not if it's a $32k Titanium model.

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I don't feel that the MTX75 is "unfortunate". Yes, it could use another cog for economy, but it is a durable, proven transmission that has improved greatly in refinement since the MK1. It's not "revolutionary" either, but it works very well.
I think the 5 speed is a great transmission. In retrospect, there really isn't a whole lot of revolutionizing you can do to a "row your own" trans. Maybe tweak the shifter/clutch feel but that's about it. (though Ford doesn't need to do any tweaking to the feel of the MTX) It's good old simple fun technology on an otherwise fantastic chassis. I was actually referring to the 6 speed "PowerShit" that Ford made all of us consumers horny for when we got our Focus - and will continue to plague our handsome, fun and feature packed Foci until Ford does something about it. Of course, It's livable, but a 6spd manual Focus would be epic. All Ford needs to do is add another cog to the MTX75 and they'll have me back as a repeat customer and they'll have themselves a wonderfully reliable vehicle. I'd have gotten the 5 speed if it was available on a Titanium in late 2011.
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I think the 5 speed is a great transmission. In retrospect, there really isn't a whole lot of revolutionizing you can do to a "row your own" trans. Maybe tweak the shifter/clutch feel but that's about it (though Ford doesn't need to do any tweaking to the feel of the MTX) It's good old simple fun technology on an otherwise fantastic chassis.
Yes, I'm in total agreement. Ford has been making the MTX75 since 1992, and has been refining it ever since. The 2012 shift feel is sooo much smoother and more refined than the MTX75 in my 2001. But, as you said, while the transmission has served Ford well for MANY years, it is time to move on to 6-speed manuals across the board. I'm sure the MTX75, after a great 20-year-stint will be retired soon.

I can't really blame Ford for not spec'ing a 6-speed manual in the NA Focus, since they were only expecting 7% of customers would buy manuals. It was easier and cheaper to just pull 'ol reliable off the shelf. If they had realized that--in reality, they would be selling many more--maybe they would have made that move...
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You say we are not talking about Estonia or Hyundai, but you compare USA Focus with Germany Focus price differences.
Because the OP's friend purchased a Focus in Germany. Not a Hyundai in Estonia. Let me repeat that, the vehicle in question is a Focus in Germany, not a Hyundai in Estonia.

You are free, of course, to start a separate thread about Hyundais and/or about Estonia. This thread is about neither of those.
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I'd love to own a diesel Focus but not if it's a $32k Titanium model.
I'd rather a wagon than a diesel.
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