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Old 07-28-2013, 10:51 PM   #11
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Here's some info I've figured out.

The mk2 turbo manifold and downpipe should wit with minor exhaust mods.
And you'll need to have your car 100% custom tuned, no way around it yet.
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Turbo and tune a 12+ and get back to me on that one. Not just talking about how it's so much cheaper to make an old Focus faster in a straight line.

I for one am disappointed you would base your opinion on a car based on watching others not driving their cars very hard in the 90+F weather vs actually driving one for yourself. Having owned both I can say by far and away the extra torque is great and the midrange punch is much more pronounced.

The ST is not a drag racing car, but even stock it should be clocking in the high 14 second range, and the cars tuned up to Cobb stage 3 levels should be in the lower to mid 14s pretty easily with the right weather conditions.

I had just gotten back from a track day the weekend of FF, so I wasn't going to be wrecking the car in that small auto-x pen, or drag racing it, but just because others didn't go flat out to appease your wanderlust doesn't mean the car itself is not a great car.

I for one would advocate not buying an old Zetec as a second car vs going for the ST in the first place, but maybe I'm biased by having driven the N/A MK3, the ST, and at least the N/A Duratec 2.0 in the 08-11 Focus.

For a daily driver the standard MK3 is great, fuel efficient, reasonably peppy, and fun to drive. An ST takes those great attributes and turns the performance up a few notches while remaining civilized.

I've ridden in some modified cars and it gets old after awhile, although they can be more raw, and more fun on the track. However if the op only wanted to have one car they would be better off served with either modifying their 13, or getting an ST.
Just to recap , I own a 2012 Tit , I have a tune on it and love it , I have driven over a dozen ST and HATE the seats , suspension is a little rough for daily use for the Wife , lacking in performance in my opinion , you take off in 3rd gear and go woo?????? what happen is it over LOL at about 4800 , the ZX3 I took to FF was at 13-14psi and ran a 13.7 @ 110 mph , daily driver and will kick the crap out of the ST in a straight line or most anything other then parking lot racing , take both the road alanta , kershaw , VIR , mid ohio and you would be hard pressed to see my tail lights AND for over 10,000 less cost then the ST , Ins less then half the cost , tags and taxes 1/3 the cost of the ST so that being said where is the down side of him keeping his 13 and doing a ZX3 or SVT which in my opinion will out handle as well as the ST ?

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Old 07-29-2013, 11:33 AM   #13
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Will the warranty be voided even if I buy the parts from a Ford dealership and have someone over there to install the parts for me? My dealership only offers Turbocharger parts but not the kit, which is around $1,100 plus an estimate of $700-1500 for labor.
Where are you getting that price from? The turbocharger alone from ford is $1200 and you still need all of the supporting parts, not to mention the compression on the NA is different from the ST, so you need to fix those engine components as well. It is probably closer to 3000 or more in parts alone. Ford won't warranty anything related to the upgrade either.
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Old 07-29-2013, 11:34 AM   #14
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where is the down side of him keeping his 13 and doing a ZX3 or SVT which in my opinion will out handle as well as the ST?
You're looking at it from cost-only perspective. "Why buy a new ST when you can buy a ratty old Focus and build it up for less?"

Sure you can spend less money buying and modifying an old car, but you don't get modern build quality or a warranty. Also, you can't just buy an old car and it instantly becomes a performance car. You have to build it - and that takes time. The typical projects I see take a year or more as owners will change their minds several times before making a decision and encounter obstacles along the way. You also need to have room to keep/store/work on that second car... Not everyone has that.

Some people just prefer new cars. As it is, the ST is the absolute - best - choice in its class of vehicle. There are faster cars (Mazdaspeed), but the ST is a total package that does everything well and then some without really sacrificing anything.

So yeah you can save money and have an older, higher-performing end-result, but if it's instant gratification you want with a warranty to back it up, buy the new car.

(And if you don't like the optional seats, don't option them )
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Old 07-29-2013, 01:11 PM   #15
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Just to recap , I own a 2012 Tit , I have a tune on it and love it , I have driven over a dozen ST and HATE the seats , suspension is a little rough for daily use for the Wife , lacking in performance in my opinion , you take off in 3rd gear and go woo?????? what happen is it over LOL at about 4800 , the ZX3 I took to FF was at 13-14psi and ran a 13.7 @ 110 mph , daily driver and will kick the crap out of the ST in a straight line or most anything other then parking lot racing , take both the road alanta , kershaw , VIR , mid ohio and you would be hard pressed to see my tail lights AND for over 10,000 less cost then the ST , Ins less then half the cost , tags and taxes 1/3 the cost of the ST so that being said where is the down side of him keeping his 13 and doing a ZX3 or SVT which in my opinion will out handle as well as the ST ?

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Old 07-29-2013, 01:47 PM   #16
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If those STs were stock then mid 14s is spot on as most of the car rags have gotten 14.4s-14.7s so not bad from the showroom floor but there wasn't 1 ST in the 13s at FF? Seriously? I figured high 13s would be realized with a few breathing mods but maybe the OEM stuff isn't choking things off too much.
My 93 DSM dropped a full half second in the 1/4 with a filter and exhuast so I was expecting to some solid times from a few STs especially if COBB had ran their's.
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So realistically you buy an old focus and put turbo on doing most work except dyno and tune, what are you going to have in it money wise aprox.?
I'm thinking over 10k. Any comments Tom? By the time you mod an old car and keep the new one you could have had the ST modded way past the old car level I"m thinking. Mho but long run I think Ben is right buy an ST even if you wait and get it used, you will have a better base, to work with overall and can still mod it.
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Old 07-29-2013, 02:31 PM   #18
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Just wondering if anyone has turbocharger kit installed on their '13 Focus SE? If so, is it worth the money for performance? Will the warranty be voided even if I buy the parts from a Ford dealership and have someone over there to install the parts for me? My dealership only offers Turbocharger parts but not the kit, which is around $1,100 plus an estimate of $700-1500 for labor. If the performance is worth it, then I would have to do some serious upgrades with other major parts (i.e. exhaust system, CAI, tuner, etc). If all these are possible at reasonable prices, then I will be keeping the car for as long as I can.
they barely have tunes out for these cars.

You will need a lot more then that and there is no way you will get a turbo for 1500 and have it installed for that. Try more like 10k probably.

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Here's some info I've figured out.

The mk2 turbo manifold and downpipe should wit with minor exhaust mods.
And you'll need to have your car 100% custom tuned, no way around it yet.
You will also need, new injectors, probably a new fuel pump, new oil pump, lines to route the oil to the turbo, Maybe a new radiator and fan, all the requisite sensors, thats just off the top of my head...not to mention a computer from an ST or like you said a full custom tune. Plus the compression that the NA 2.0 has is probably far too high to run any sort of boost that would make decent power.


It would be FAR FAR cheaper and easier to just trade in the sedan and get the ST.

Also Id venture to guess 30+ MPG may be a bit of a challenge with an ST....
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Plus the compression that the NA 2.0 has is probably far too high to run any sort of boost that would make decent power.

At least with stock engine internals, the FR-S/BRZ got boosted pretty far and they have 12.5:1 compression stock which is higher than the NA, so it's possible, but like you said, 10k is a more realistic price.
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At least with stock engine internals, the FR-S/BRZ got boosted pretty far and they have 12.5:1 compression stock which is higher than the NA, so it's possible, but like you said, 10k is a more realistic price.
Anythings possible, just not ideal maybe. I wouldn't boost a car with that high a compression ratio, but thats just me.
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