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Old 06-29-2013, 05:20 AM   #21
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So, where's the improvement you pay for with the penalty added cost? ALL plugs should run properly there especially stock replacement ones.

I took back so many E3s from GM and Ford vehicles on warranty I could not count. Most everyone stated that brand new stock plug replacements cured their problems completely. The E3s were usually less than a week or two old when they came back. A LOT of people get sucked into and then HATE those plugs after using them. I have even had trouble with the lawn mower version in my LAWN MOWERS, I got them for free, we couldn't sell them. Pulled the offending plug and put the 4 year old one back in and mower then instantly starts.

The incentive percentage of unit cost given for selling them was one of the highest paid, clearly they knew they were having trouble selling them. We were expected to lie about how good they worked as instructed by the E3 reps themselves.

The heat range choices for them are the most abysmal in the industry there is, maybe 3 choices to cover all engines made. Most other manufacturers will have like 6, or tuned much closer to what you need. Try to pick a next range plug in E3 and the next one burns hole in piston or fouls out quick. The design is stupid and been around for many many years. A normal dead stock type plug out of the '60s with a gimmicky electrode, you don't even get a precious metal tip on it.

Many of the people who first bought them came back telling wild tales about how good they work, or normal human nature to self-bullsh-t oneself, of course those same people were the ones who showed back up next week with the warranty refund demands. I got plenty tired of hearing it. We quietly steered customers clear of them as long as manager was not around to hear us. Of course we laid the blather on thick if that manager was around, or even worse, a district manager. Many fell for the Madison Avenue super trick artwork showing a nuclear flamefront coming off the plug and demanded them anyway after the warning, they invariably came back saying 'you were right, these plugs suck'.

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Old 06-29-2013, 07:11 AM   #22
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I have to disagree. I think at the time when the spark plug sticky was made, the AR103's were different, but I have the AR103's and they are not visually different from the A103's like the post states. They do not have the notch that widens the flame front. IDK if this is due to a change in design or what, but the ones I have are visually identical to the A103.

There are a few slight differences between the racing and standard plugs, but the thread makes it seem like they are a world apart and they really aren't. Unless you're pushing lots of boost and need a plug with better heat performance, you're not going to notice any difference between AR103 and A103
You may want to take another look at the 2 plugs , shorter wire is the diff , hugh diff

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I have to agree , I wouldnt run the E3 if they gave them to me for free , dont like them at all

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Old 06-29-2013, 04:07 PM   #24
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i dont know than maybe i got lucky with the ones i put it lol i guess well see here in a couple weeks with the focus keeping the old ones with me though at all times now that youve said all that
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