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Old 06-07-2013, 05:10 PM   #11
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It is a little hard to believe that it took them 20 years to discover that this is a potential design flaw.
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I had a Cherokee that was rear ended twice--both times, the offending car tore it's radiator open and the Jeep was fine. A lot of older vehicles have rear mounted gas tanks.
This was what I was thinking... for decades vehicles have had gas tanks mounted between the rear bumper and the rear axle. It's not a particularly safe place (the 04-06 GTO had to have the tank relocated inside the trunk to meet safety regs for importing them here, for example), but why single Jeep out, and do it now?

I saw this story on TTAC and they posted misleading pictures and video of Jeeps on fire and Jeeps burned, and most look suspiciously like they had nothing to do with being rear-ended.
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Chrysler/Fiat wouldn't take this position if they didn't think it was totally defensible from every angle. Jalopnik in particular has stated that they should cave in and do the recall if only to appease the public, but the public is mostly unaware and would probably barely give a shit even if they did. If Ford could get away with a deathtrap $6K car in USA, people would buy it and be grateful.

When the media start quoting accidents/fatalities per millions of vehicle hours or whatever the ridiculous metric they used, it seems a little bit much. You can't retroactively punish a company for seemingly objective standards that didn't exist when the product was designed and sold.
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Old 06-08-2013, 01:36 PM   #14
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Shouldn't be Jeeps problem. If it took this agency this long to decide that those vehicles were that unsafe in rear end crashes then screw em. Clearly the government does everything superbly.....
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...ought/2434955/


Sounds like Jeep caved.
Don't heard anything about a plan of action, just that it'll be a case by case repair as needed.

I feel that this is a very bad move and will set a very bad precedent.
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:25 AM   #16
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I searched a bit and came up with nothing similar, that is the NHTSA asking an automaker to recall vehicles up to 20 years after their sale.
I think this is the correct move from Jeep. I don't recall any recall ever applying to multiple platform changes over such a wide range of years. If Jeep would give in and issue the recall, it'd set a precedent that could potentially hurt much of the auto industry. The NHTSA could go back as far as they wish to ask (force) a MFG to issue a recall simply from public outcry (in a very minor percentage) for any 'safety' reason.


I'd say that if a major safety issue is not found within a reasonable timeframe and during the warranty period of the vehicle, there should be no recall issued.

Gov't needs to back off and make some more stupid training video's and take a seminar. This is stupid.
This is done all the time. Cars are lasting longer and thus, stay on the road longer. Also, people find it cheaper to repair their vehicles rather than buy new all the time. My wife's aunt has a Jeep Grand Cherokee that falls into that range.

Chrysler is going to have to fix it or face the lawsuits and wrongful death suits that they will in no way win which is probably what they have been doing for years, figuring it is cheaper to settle out of court than it is to save people's lives. heh.

Ford had to do this for their Mustangs at one point. The tanks were situated in such a way that they were prone to leaking during an accident and they had to recall a bunch of model years to fix it. It was an expensive fix.
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Mustang 'Fix" was a plastic cover for the tank, reduces chance of puncture or split such as when pushed into rear axle.

Jeep agreement is for a reduced # of vehicles, involves checking for a trailer hitch & adding one to vehicles without one.... more metal behind the tank for 'protection" is the theory.

"Better Ideas" come along regularly, "fixes" for existing vehicles have to fall into a practical range of what can be done. Free replacements for all older vehicles wouldn't exactly work, and next year you'd have to do it all over again for the next bright idea.

Defects are another separate issue, not working as designed is a separate subject from "you should have designed it different". 20/20 hindsight, and changing standards...
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This is done all the time. Cars are lasting longer and thus, stay on the road longer. Also, people find it cheaper to repair their vehicles rather than buy new all the time. My wife's aunt has a Jeep Grand Cherokee that falls into that range.

Chrysler is going to have to fix it or face the lawsuits and wrongful death suits that they will in no way win which is probably what they have been doing for years, figuring it is cheaper to settle out of court than it is to save people's lives. heh.

Ford had to do this for their Mustangs at one point. The tanks were situated in such a way that they were prone to leaking during an accident and they had to recall a bunch of model years to fix it. It was an expensive fix.

Proof of this Mustang fix?
And I don't know of any MFG that has ever had to go back 20 years for a Gov't mandated recall. If you know of anything, provide proof.
That is the precedent I'm talking about (for the third time).
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What an odd solution to retrofit Jeeps with a trailer hitch. Hardly seems like effective protection for the gas tank... more like Chrysler figured the cheapest solution was to clear their unsold inventory of trailer hitches.
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Back in high school my drunk buddy and I was out tinkering with a ranger we was taring apart for parts. He took the metal gas tank which had maybe a gallon of gas it drug it across the yard then tossed it into a bonfire we had going. He then grabbed his 1911 and shot a bullet into it. As we all screamed and ran for cover, nothing happend.
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